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Old 04-06-2008, 07:42 AM   #141 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by loquitur
dc_dux, the distinction in hate crimes has little to do with mens rea (the technical legal term for criminal intent). It has to do with motive, which is a distinct concept from intent. Related but separate. In most criminal law motive is probative of intent but not dispositive, and is not in any case an element of the crime.
loquuitor....I stand corrected. I do appreciate the legal knowledge that you bring from experience.

Take an example:
Guy A spray paints graffiti on a subway car....motve = self-gratification or maybe just for kicks?

Guy B spray paints a swastika on a synagogue...motive = intimidation

Two cases of vandalism.....should they be subject to the same penalty? Would a hate crime law make a difference in sentencing?

or

A couple of rowdy guys (lets call them will and rb) take a couple of pieces of 2x4 lumber out of a shop class in a predominantly white school and burn them on the football field to celebrate the end of the school year.

A couple of angry guys at the same school (lets call them seaver and ustwo) take a couple of pieces of 2x4 lumber out of the same shop class and burn a cross on the football field to intimidate the small number of black students in the school.

Assume the state has no cross burning law......same crime, same penalty?
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