Originally Posted by roachboy

you're avoiding the real problems, pan, and retreating to a "it's just my opinion man" position---but opinion is not based on nothing--and if at the most basic level, opinion is rooted in a whole series of misunderstandings and/or erasures, then it hardly seems rational even to just repeat "it's just my opinion man" unless the idea here is not debate at all, not even discussion, but just to put into motion some little piece of theater in which you get to star as the drama queen.

seriously, pan: there are real problems with every single element of the position you've laid out--you started this machinery, so the least you can do is engage when folk point out the problems--and don't confuse them with personal attacks--for what it's worth (to be explicit) i don't even see most of what you're doing here as being your invention--i think you're performing the consequences of a politics, and you're doing it point-for-point. so this isn't even psychological theater, there's no voyeurism--it's just what happens when a reasonable fellow latches on to identity politics in the populist conservative mode--and all the more if your views in this area are not of a piece with your views in other areas.

don't you see this?