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Originally Posted by Ustwo
I tend not to read roachboys posts, he generally gets insulting to me in them, and I'd rather not be told my opinions are shit for having them. I do on occasion when they are quoted, but thats not very often.
There is no selective amnesia here, MM has not been clear, and STILL has yet to explain what the exploitation is while throwing it back on us for responding to her, after all if it didn't matter we would not respond, which is no argument at all.
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I've been very clear about my stance here, you just don't agree with me. You're taking one word out of thousands I have typed here (used in a different context than you are requesting from me, I might add) and calling my whole argument nil because I have yet to quantify it for you. Meanwhile, conveniently ignoring all of my questions and multifarious mission statements.
Let me see, how could the phrase 'i'd hit that,' ever be construed as exploitative of another human being?
Number one, using 'that' to describe a person that you would like to fuck is exploitative whether you want to admit it or not. I find the use of the word 'that' in this phrase to be very significant.
But more interesting to me, is considering the most recent origin of this phrase, (as well 'i'd tap that') which happens to be a segment of the hip-hop culture in which women have been most literally
exploited - in that they've been promoted as being anonymous, available, disposable and interchangable. Which after about a decade of outrage on the part of a horrified white America, started to trickle into white culture without a second thought, eventually winding up here on this thread where it is legitimized as 'male bonding' and 'sexual expression.' It's funny, but I don't recall those words being bandied around when this was a 'black issue.'
Now, people have two choices when observing this phenomenon:
1. They can dismiss it outright and say that it's just harmless fun and has absolutely no further implications to society and the state of male/female relations.
or
2. They can question it when the realization dawns on them that we have accommodated an attitude, even if in a less overtly offensive manner, that just a few years ago we thought was despicable.
Now, no, I do not think that a guy directing 'i'd tap that' at me amongst his friends without my knowledge is necessarily exploitative, although it is on an innocuous level. And I can certainly imagine many scenarios in which being the subject of the phrase would be violative enough to make me feel that I've been exploited.
But can we acknowledge that our acceptance of this phrase into our vernacular combined with the increase in the last twenty years or so of women in the media seen not only as sexual and desirable, but sexually
available (I think there is a big difference there), is, at the very least, a curious thing and okay to talk about?
Now if all this is still unclear to you at this point, I don't think I can think of a plainer way to put it. If you want to talk about any of these things, then fine, let's talk. This is what I have been wanting to do all along. But I'm done having my argument minimized and dismissed like this is a silly game for you.
And to bring it allllll the way back around to my first contribution to this thread. If you are using these phrases as anything other than a mockery of the men who use it as if it were an entitlement, then I think it's stupid. Grow the fuck up.
The end.