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Originally Posted by Ustwo
No what I'm saying is the stimulation is NOT the issue. Take that away and you can still have full blown sexism, and we are not talking about the Taliban but a large swath of Islamic nations and on a smaller scale some Christian communities. There any stimulation like that gets you put in prison or worse in the Islamic nations and shunned from the small scale communities in the US. Yet sexism exists. thrives, is a cornerstone of these cultures.
I do not think there is culpability here. Men have always, and will always objectify women unless you modify men at a genetic level not to. This is not a pass for subjugating women, treating them as only sexual objects, but when I see a pretty one, I'm going to wonder what shes like naked no matter how great a person she is and how many PhD's she holds. You, as a woman are a sex object to men.
So its ok for a woman to sell her self for sex but not ok for her to advertise it? A woman can't use her body to help sell a car, or look sexy turning letters on a popular game show? To say prostitution is ok and then whine about a thin model on TV seems very hypocritical to me.
Obviously you can find some shocking things in the media, most likely designed to shock for attention, that are over the top, but that in itself does not mean there is a problem with the culture, it just means some add exec wanted to shock you ala abercrombie and fitch.
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I am not talking about sexism in general, but rather the saturation of the sexual objectification of women in our media and its effects on our culture. You are not really addressing my concerns with this post, rather you are talking around them. Now, normally, I might take the time to try and bring this around to meet the conversation that I am having, but I have been sitting here all day doing this and I've pretty much run out of steam.
I will say this, I think I'm a fairly rational, thoughtful person and it takes more than just a minimization of my thoughts to 'lighten up' or 'nuh-uh' to engage me in a serious discussion. This is not a summation of how I think about you overall, for I have seen you involved in discussions in which, even though I disagreed with you, I could see that you were really involved and talking about something that was important to you. And then, sometimes, it seems like you are involved just to tweak noses. This doesn't seem like one of those former instances.