Vanblah, I asked this question in post #43, didn't get much reply... I saw it as a positive way to try and change the conversation, at least on the male side:
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Originally Posted by abaya
Why not challenge each other to go UP a level and talk in a respectful way about women? Because no one wants to be the "loser" who spoils everyone's fun by asking, "Would you talk about your daughter like that? Then why are you talking about other women like that?"--and risk being laughed at or accused of having a stick up one's ass? Is it so insufferably uncool to be the man in the group who actually RAISES the standard of the conversation?
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In fact, throughout my posts I have attempted to NOT group "all men as pigs," instead saying that I believe men are better than that. But many of those responding to this thread seemed to insist that they were, in fact, NOT above that level... and to quit expecting them to be any more advanced, so I'd better just lighten up and get over it. So I'd like to say that I think men deserve a lot more respect than they get re: this topic, but it seems that few *want* to rise to that level of respect/responsibility and act accordingly.