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Originally Posted by fresnelly
It's tough because, as I was exploring in my second post, men objectify each other as well and turn on women as a deflection. Women won't get relief until we stop with each other first.
If that sounds touchy-feely and radical, then you see the scope of the challenge.
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Men certainly do objectify each other ... and I don't think they take it out on women as a deflection. I think that men, in general, objectify EVERYTHING. This is not to say that men are incapable of abstract thought. This is also not to imply that women are not capable of objectifying ... or that women only think in abstract terms.
A lot of this has to do with social conditioning and how we EXPECT people to behave. In the U.S. we expect that the genders behave in a certain way and so that inference has shaped our judgment. Whether or not the behavior is TRUE is beside the point. Depending on your experience you make it true or not.
Even the phrase "women won't get relief until we stop with each other first" implies that men are in control. The fact is the only thing that both genders need to STOP is how we think about each other.
Again, this is not saying that there is not a problem ... only that the solution lies on BOTH sides of the gender coin.