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					Originally Posted by fresnelly
					
				 It's tough because, as I was exploring in my second post, men objectify each other as well and turn on women as a deflection.  Women won't get relief until we stop with each other first.
 If that sounds touchy-feely and radical, then you see the scope of the challenge.
 |  This is probably very true and is exemplified in UsTwo's description of the difference between how he and his wife describe people.
				__________________Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus
 PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce
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