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					Originally Posted by JinnKai
					
				 What I asked, was "HOW can we get male bonding, camaraderie and self-esteem WITHOUT objectifying women"? | 
	
 It's tough because, as I was exploring in my second post, men objectify each other as well and turn on women as a deflection.  Women won't get relief until we stop with each other first.
If that sounds touchy-feely and radical, then you see the scope of the challenge.