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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
#1 What makes you think I'm ashamed? I said that it was personal to me. It was mine. And I liked it that way. I hardly equate verbalizing 'i'd tap that' with liberation.
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It wasn't my intention to imply that you're ashamed of whatever you may think or feel. What I was attempting to highlight is that there are men who feel the exact same thing and who have no problem expressing it. Within the 'culture of masculinity' (whatever that is) it's seen as normal and a way of reinforcing bonds in a masculine way. And I personally see nothing wrong with that.
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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
#2 I already addressed the rest of these observations. Go back and read my posts. You are taking issue with me only for the reason that I do not like men who say sexually overt things about me or behave in sexually overt ways towards me in my presence. And if I see a man who makes these kinds of statements about women often in a way that is too frequent for humor and irony, then I lose a great deal of respect for them. Sorry. Can't help it. I think it's stupid.
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I think you're misunderstanding me, as I'm not taking issue with you at all. I'm simply pointing out that this can be way of expressing (albeit crudely) an identical sentiment that is often considered harmless or even romantic in a different context. And you still haven't answered my question. You don't have any problem with guys thinking these things, and I'm still assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) that you don't assume these same guys intend to act on these thoughts. Is it the expression that you take issue with, and if so why?
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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
If you want to defend these men. Please do. Thus far, no one has wanted to touch that subject. It keeps turning into, 'well, I only do it in a joking way,' when that is explicitly NOT what I am talking about.
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If you want me to tell you why some men are boorish and stupid, you're going to be disappointed. I don't have an answer to that. Some people are stupid. Such is life.
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Originally Posted by aberkok
Will, you say that you know men and women are different, but are trying to "bridge the gap."
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I'm hesitant to put words into willravel's mouth, but what I personally am attempting to highlight is that even though men and women are different in some ways, this isn't one of them. We all have sexual thoughts about strangers. Some of us express them, other's don't. That's really the only difference, and I don't think it's as clear cut across genders as might first be assumed.