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pan6467 · 03-31-2008, 09:25 AM

I think this shows how divided the Dem Party really is.

I thought earlier in the process the GOP was divided but it is nothing compared to the Dem Party.

We have Dems wanting to throw people in jail because they jumped party to vote in the Dem Primary (which is their right), we have Dems calling other Dems Racist, Sexist, whatever. And we expect come November that these feelings and names will all be forgotten and the Dem candidate will win?

I seriously doubt it.

I think this whole thing demonstrates 2 HUGE issues in the party that aren't being addressed. 1 That this represents the extremists' voice and 2) this is more about the hatred of the Clintons within the party.

1) I think just as some in the GOP feel that McCain doesn't represent the traditional Conservative... I think Obama is farther left than some in the Dem Party wish to go.

2) This is the big one. In the 90's it was along party lines, but there were a lot of Dems that came out with a bad taste in the mouth for the Clintons.

I think this process is definitely splitting the party and it may not be able to repair itself by Nov.

Demanding Hilary get out, exacerbates this divide, keeps it alive and hurts the chance to heal the party. She has carried the states that are going to be needed to win, Ohio, Cali, NY, Mass, by HUGE margins.... she won Texas, YOU NEED those states in Nov. At the very least 3 of those to win in Nov. The only 1 that I could see as a Dem state even if Bozo were the nominee is Mass.

I don't think NY is the automatic, Ohio definitely is moderate and a Liberal Dem won't carry it.

Obama may carry Cali... but McCain being from neighboring AZ may make that difference.

Now let's look at the states Obama has won.... Illinois, Georgia and Virginia by HUGE margins, however he only won Missouri by barely 10,000 votes.

The only state there I see the Dems taking for sure is Illinois.

I don't see what dividing this party any further will do. Let Hilary run, take it to the Convention if need be.

I know far more Dems that will end up voting for McCain than Obama than I know Dems that would vote for McCain over Clinton. I'm one... I don't see me voting for Obama under any circumstance even though I really don''t want Bushlite McCain, he's a better option than Obama for me. Now if Obama can get Sherrod Brown/John Edwards to be his running mate I may change my mind. But I think he's going to go with Bill Richardson and try for the Hispanic vote. Smart move but I can't support that ticket.

For those Obama criers now that feel Clinton is trying to take him down, wait until he runs against McCain. Then it really will be hardball and if his supporters and he are having problems now..... Whereas, Clinton has been through everything and can handle it.

I just think the Dems are self destructing the party. I would feel the same way if it were the other way around. Part of the primary isn't just picking the candidate, but figuring out what platform the party can run on and win. That is the idea that has been lost.

I see McCain taking on Rudy as his running mate and if he does hat he definitely takes NY over Obama and probably a whole lot more.

But the Dems have to keep in mind and truly look at who took and who can take the big states in Nov. I don't think it's Obama.

03-31-2008, 09:25 AM	#25 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I think this shows how divided the Dem Party really is. I thought earlier in the process the GOP was divided but it is nothing compared to the Dem Party. We have Dems wanting to throw people in jail because they jumped party to vote in the Dem Primary (which is their right), we have Dems calling other Dems Racist, Sexist, whatever. And we expect come November that these feelings and names will all be forgotten and the Dem candidate will win? I seriously doubt it. I think this whole thing demonstrates 2 HUGE issues in the party that aren't being addressed. 1 That this represents the extremists' voice and 2) this is more about the hatred of the Clintons within the party. 1) I think just as some in the GOP feel that McCain doesn't represent the traditional Conservative... I think Obama is farther left than some in the Dem Party wish to go. 2) This is the big one. In the 90's it was along party lines, but there were a lot of Dems that came out with a bad taste in the mouth for the Clintons. I think this process is definitely splitting the party and it may not be able to repair itself by Nov. Demanding Hilary get out, exacerbates this divide, keeps it alive and hurts the chance to heal the party. She has carried the states that are going to be needed to win, Ohio, Cali, NY, Mass, by HUGE margins.... she won Texas, YOU NEED those states in Nov. At the very least 3 of those to win in Nov. The only 1 that I could see as a Dem state even if Bozo were the nominee is Mass. I don't think NY is the automatic, Ohio definitely is moderate and a Liberal Dem won't carry it. Obama may carry Cali... but McCain being from neighboring AZ may make that difference. Now let's look at the states Obama has won.... Illinois, Georgia and Virginia by HUGE margins, however he only won Missouri by barely 10,000 votes. The only state there I see the Dems taking for sure is Illinois. I don't see what dividing this party any further will do. Let Hilary run, take it to the Convention if need be. I know far more Dems that will end up voting for McCain than Obama than I know Dems that would vote for McCain over Clinton. I'm one... I don't see me voting for Obama under any circumstance even though I really don''t want Bushlite McCain, he's a better option than Obama for me. Now if Obama can get Sherrod Brown/John Edwards to be his running mate I may change my mind. But I think he's going to go with Bill Richardson and try for the Hispanic vote. Smart move but I can't support that ticket. For those Obama criers now that feel Clinton is trying to take him down, wait until he runs against McCain. Then it really will be hardball and if his supporters and he are having problems now..... Whereas, Clinton has been through everything and can handle it. I just think the Dems are self destructing the party. I would feel the same way if it were the other way around. Part of the primary isn't just picking the candidate, but figuring out what platform the party can run on and win. That is the idea that has been lost. I see McCain taking on Rudy as his running mate and if he does hat he definitely takes NY over Obama and probably a whole lot more. But the Dems have to keep in mind and truly look at who took and who can take the big states in Nov. I don't think it's Obama. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"