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I guess because you post "stuff" like this:
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Originally Posted by loquitur
......Fascism as I understand it entails, on the economic side, commandeering the economy to achieve nationalist ends - in effect, putting national greatness ahead of normal economic functioning of the free market.
That's the reason I see little difference between socialism and fascism - whether the govt owns the production or merely controls it, splitting the goodies with its cronies, makes very little difference. Both systems foster corruption and tyranny.
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There are great, great differences....all you have to do is take a "head count" of who wins and who loses, compared to before. 1933 Germany, vs. 1950 Germany, 1958 Cuba, vs. post 1991 Cuba, for example.
....you give me the impression that you are more incurious than I am, compared to me, nothing shocks you, and you have a more black or white approach to things like, socialist leaning economic and political systems, for instance.
Who benefits, loquitur....in pre and post Nazi Germany, inside and outside Germany? Who exhibits respect for other governments, for the rule of law?
Who benefits in Cuba, loquitur?
Forgive me for using a "collage" to help male my point:
Were you familiar with this family?
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http://www.businessweek.com/globalbi...240_page_2.htm
.....Despite his Nazi membership—and, as it now appears, his use of slave labor—Günther Quandt was deemed after the war to have been more of a "passive follower" than a convinced Nazi. But Benjamin Ferencz, a prosecutor from the Nuremberg Trials interviewed in the documentary, said that the facts revealed today likely would have led to Quandt's conviction for war crimes—similar to those meted out to members of the Krupp and Flick families.
"Quandt escaped justice," Ferencz told the filmmakers. Industrialist Friederich Flick, by contrast, received a prison sentence of seven years at the Nuremberg Trials for deploying slave labor and for serving the Nazi war machine, but was freed in 1950.
After the war, Quandt received his company, later renamed Varta (VARGK.F), <H3>back from the government and continued to build his industrial wealth—the fortune eventually wielded by his son Herbert in 1959 to buy BMW.</H3> Herbert's heirs, including wife Johanna, daughter Susanna Klatten, and son Stefan, today own a controlling 47% stake in BMW, which has a market capitalization of $42 billion. The Quandts also own a controlling stake in pharmaceutical giant Altana (ALTG.DE). The family's holdings are worth an estimated $34 billion.
Damage Control
Despite its acknowledgement that the family's ties to the Nazis have been played down, the Quandt family members insist the details of Günther Quandt's past are not entirely new. A 2002 biography covered much of the same ground. It's also been known that Quandt's wife Magda Ritschel, whom he divorced in 1929, remarried Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels in 1931 and that Goebbels adopted Quandt's son Harald. Adolf Hitler acted as witness at the wedding.
Many German companies including BMW, Volkswagen (VOWG.DE), and Deutsche Bank (DB) already have explored their own wartime collaboration and misdeeds during the Nazi era, publishing books, turning over documentation to experts, and paying millions of dollars into funds distributed to forced-labor survivors. Volkswagen's book documents its deployment of 20,000 slave laborers during the Third Reich. In 1999, BMW and other German companies founded the "Remembrance, Responsibility and Future" foundation, which provides compensation to former forced laborers.
<h3>The Quandts, by contrast, have remained silent about their past</h3>, perhaps fearing a global public backlash against the BMW brand. Until now, the family has refused historians access to its Nazi-era historical archives and papers—and it still has not acknowledged that Afa factories made use of slave labor from concentration camps.
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Do you think it's a coincidence that Alfred, son of Betha Krupp, met with Hitler in 1933 to help map out the reich rearmament strategy and profited handsomely thereafter. He quickly managed to get his company back after his Nuremberg conviction.
....and from wiki...(edit/change anything that you object to and can document....)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescot..._collaboration
Prescott Bush
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Prescott Sheldon Bush
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United States Senator
from Connecticut
In office
November 5, 1952 – January 2, 1963
Preceded by William A. Purtell
Succeeded by Abraham A. Ribicoff
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Born May 15, 1895(1895-05-15)
Columbus, Ohio
Died October 8, 1972 (aged 77)
New York City
Nationality American
Political party Republican
Spouse Dorothy Walker Bush
Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895 – October 8, 1972) was a United States Senator from Connecticut and a Wall Street executive banker with Brown Brothers Harriman. He was the father of former President of the United States George H. W. Bush and the grandfather of current President George W. Bush.
Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman). The President of UBC at that time was George Herbert Walker, Bush's father-in-law.
Dutch-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
Silesian-American Corporation (this company was partially owned by a German entity; during the war the Germans tried to take full control of Silesian-American. In response to that, the American government seized German owned minority shares in the company, leaving the U.S. partners to carry on the business.)
The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward. UBC was dissolved in 1951. Bush was on the board of directors of UBC and held one share in the company. For it, he was reimbursed $1,500,000.(a huge amount of money at the time - but there is no documentary evidence to support this claim) These supposed assets were later used to launch Bush family investments in the Texas energy industry. There is no documentaion to support this assumption either.
Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining operations in Nazi-occupied Poland which used slave labor out of Oświęcim, where the Auschwitz concentration camp was later constructed.
The New York Herald-Tribune referred to Thyssen as "Hitler's Angel" and mentioned Bush as an employee of the investment banking firm Thyssen used in the United States. Some records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.[8] Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averell Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Two former slave laborers from Poland have filed suit in London against the government of the United States and the heirs of Prescott Bush in the amount of $40 billion. A class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001 was dismissed based on the principle of state sovereignty.[5]
Prescott Bush connection to the Merchants of Death[9] industry came from his father Samuel P. Bush who worked for Buckeye Steel Castings Company which manufactured railway parts for the railroad industry and barrels for guns and casings for shells for Remington Arms.[10][11]
[edit] Alleged plot to overthrow FDR
Main article: Business Plot
On July 23, 2007, the BBC Radio 4 series Document reported on the alleged Business Plot and the archives from the McCormack-Dickstein Committee hearings. The program mentioned Bush's directorship of the Hamburg-America Line, a company that the committee investigated for Nazi propaganda activities, and the 1933 attempt to stage a military coup against President FDR to install a fascist dictatorship in the United States. [12]
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http://www.nytimes.com/library/world...cia-index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world...-cia-intro.pdf
By JAMES RISEN
The Central Intelligence Agency's secret
history of its covert operation to overthrow Iran's government in 1953 offers an inside look at how the agency stumbled into success, despite a series of mishaps that derailed its original plans.
Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist.
The document shows that:
Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.
The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.
Iranians working for the C.I.A. and posing as Communists harassed religious leaders and staged the bombing of one cleric's home in a campaign to turn the country's Islamic religious community against Mossadegh's government.
The shah's cowardice nearly killed the C.I.A. operation. Fearful of risking his throne, the Shah repeatedly refused to sign C.I.A.-written royal decrees to change the government. The agency arranged for the shah's twin sister, Princess Ashraf Pahlevi, and Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, the father of the Desert Storm commander, to act as intermediaries to try to keep him from wilting under pressure. He still fled the country just before the coup succeeded. ....
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http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/35/4/817
.....The public health experience in Cuba has several distinctive features. Although economic productivity is an important determinant of population health, Cuba does not conform to the expected relationship. International agencies like the World Bank have suggested that per capita income in Cuba is under $1000 per year; Cuban estimates, which take account of subsidies, are higher, in the range of $2–5000 per year.18 Using either measure, however, when health outcomes are correlated with GNP, Cuba clusters with North America on the former scale and countries like Bolivia on the latter (Figure 1). Abrupt economic disruptions also provide evidence on how social forces shape population health. The economic crisis which began in 1991 after the withdrawal of the Soviet Union wreaked havoc on many aspects of Cuban society. The impact on health indices was relatively modest and short-lived, however, further demonstrating that economic measures alone are poor predictors of physical well-being within a society. One potential explanation of this anomalous pattern <H3>may be the relative absence of extreme poverty, which is the most powerful economic correlate of ill health and can confound the effect of average GNP. Cuba has a high degree of income equality and lacks the marginalized slum populations of most of Latin America</H3>, although the growing dependence on the tourist economy and, to a lesser extent, foreign remittances has widened the income distribution. .....
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