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Old 03-30-2008, 12:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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In light of the DEA report documenting the long list of criminal activities by the Mexican drug runner that was shot in the ass, depositions by fellow agents, and witness accounts all not allowed as testimony, I believe there is ample evidence warranting a new trial. Once all evidence is brought forth and they are convicted, send them back to jail.

Libby absolutely lied under oath, etc. He should be in jail. The Ramos and Campean case (IMO) deserves a retrial (minimum) or a pardon. The two issues were raised for contrast ... if the border agents are guilty, send them back ... otherwise, I have no emotional attachment to this issue.

BTW - this my complete post from the other thread
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...1&postcount=90
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Regardless of ideology or perspective, Libby lied under oath. Our law requires that he should be in prison. I'm very disappointed with the decision to commute. I believe anyone that lies under oath, willfully violates civil-rights, uses the power of office to suborn purgery, etc., should be fully prosecuted and sentenced. This would include folks like the the Iran-Contra clowns, anyone found guilty under the current administration, and absolutely Bill Clinton and friends. Sorry, it's the way I see it, I don't mean to open another can of worms here.

What ever you believe about Libby's trial, it was politics as usual on all sides (shady actions and character assassination) ... Libby was a willing patsy. Right or wrong, the trial evidence was not enough to convict. If he didn't purger himself, he would have walked.

If anyone needs a pardon, it's border agents like Ramos and Campean who are serving time for essentially doing their jobs (IMO, political prisoners to satisfy Mexico). Much more deserving than Mr. Libby.

An article from http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/
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Congressman Jones response to Libby commutation: Pardon the border agents

In light of President George W. Bush’s recent commutation of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s prison sentence, North Carolina Congressman Walter B. Jones has written a letter to again call on the President to pardon U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean.

“I am writing to express my deep disappointment that U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean remain unjustly incarcerated for wounding a Mexican drug smuggler who brought 743 pounds of marijuana across our border,” Jones wrote.

“While you have spared Mr. Libby from serving even one day of his ‘excessive’ 30-month prison term, agents Ramos and Compean have already served 167 days of their 11 and 12-year prison sentences,” Jones wrote. “By attempting to apprehend an illegal alien drug smuggler, these agents were enforcing our laws, not breaking them.”

“Mr. President, it is now time to listen to the American people and members of Congress who have called upon you to pardon these agents,” Jones continued. “By granting immunity and free health care to an illegal alien drug trafficker and allowing our law enforcement officers to languish in prison – our government has told its citizens, and the world, that it does not care about protecting our borders or enforcing our laws.”

“I urge you to correct a true injustice by immediately pardoning these two law enforcement officers,” Jones concluded.
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Originally Posted by Rekna
Well host the people defending Libby are the same ones who believe Iraq had WMD when we went in and that Saddam was responsible for 9/11.
I love this topic. But shouldn't we take it over to the appropriate thread? ... just saying.

It could be fun!
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The part about "I love this topic" is referring to Rekna's comment on who knew about WMD's in Iraq, not the border agents.
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