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Originally Posted by loquitur
If you step back and look at the main indicators of material well-being, which to my mind include things like life expectancy and nutrition, we are better off now than we ever have been. Not to beat a dead horse here, but we have the richest poor people in history - our poor people are obese rather than starving. The standard of living of a middle class person in the US at the turn of the 20th century was lower than the standard of a poor person at the turn of the 21st......
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You touted the points above to make your "it's a great country, a great system" case, I assume.....
I showed you a country with just ten percent capita US GDP that must have equalled "nutirtion" experienced in the US....it had a tad lower deaths per live births stats, didn't it?
I showed you an ODC, Denmark, with 19% lower GDP per capita than in the US, that achieves dramatically lower deaths per live births than the US does.
I showed you Mexico's live birth stats....it's a free country, but you have to survive birth to "enjoy" the "freedom".
You dispell none of that with your traffic and obesity morbidity argument. Your
"better dead than red" argument, in an earlier post, as an argument against Cuba's achievements in a core quality of life area, when Mexico is pulled up alongside, is.... what it is....meaningless, just as the argument you started out with:
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If you step back and look at the main indicators of material well-being, which to my mind include things like life expectancy and nutrition....
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Denmark and Cuba put the US to shame in those categories, and Mexico's government/economic system is greatly preferred by our political and business establishment, over Cuba's...... so what does that speak to, about your standards, or the standards of our establishment?
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Originally Posted by loquitur
......And my other point isn't better dead than red, that is a massive misstatement. It is that you should consider carefully your romance with left-wing dictatorships. A country whose self-glorifying dictators purchase the submission and quiescence of its citizens with "free" medical care is not a model we should want to follow. Socialized services were originated by Bismarck as a way to keep the populace quiet and narcotized in order to stave off demands for democracy. Cuba is no different.
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I've made two equity options trades in the past half hour and you come at me with that "crap"? If you want to paint me as one who is having a love affair with "marxism", you need to become better acquainted with me. Can you not fathom that I can be critical (openminded?) about US failings and yet not be advocating a socialist model? I pointed out Denmark and Mexico, too. Which country, if you had a choice, would you prefer to be conceived and delivered in, if your were a fetus with a choice, in Mexico, or in Cuba....in Denmark, or in the US? Remember....again, you brought up life expectancy and nutrition, to support your argument....
Couldn't it just as easily be that I exhibit an openminded political demeanor and you come off like a predictably indoctrinated American?