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So you referencing this statistic in the context of a discussion about theists attempting to force their beliefs on the rest of us is relevant how?
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It's more than one, and that's too many.
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We were discussing religion as a justification for rejecting science, so it would stand to reason that the reason that that 50% don't believe in evolution would be the point, as opposed to the fact that they don't believe in evolution.
You: "Speaking of religious people rejecting science and forcing their beliefs on the rest of us, 50% of americans are piously rejecting evolution."
Me: "How many of those people are forcing their beliefs on the rest of us?
You: "Oh, I don't know *quotes incredibly large range without source and acknowledges that he has no idea*"
Me: "Okay, how many of those people are rejecting evolution for religious reasons?"
You: "Oh, I don't know, it's not important."
Why did you bring it up again?
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You act like the school thing is the only problem. It's not. It's everything from museums to churches.
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Let me rephrase. Do you think america is more or less religious than it was 50 years ago? What proportion of folks believed in evolution 50 years ago (remember, according to you the reason they didn't believe in evolution is less important than the fact that they didn't believe in evolution)?
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I couldn't care less whether religion is bigger or smaller now. The point is that not believing in evolution is dangerous.
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You should know that you can't use facts to dispel ideas of a god who controls facts at will.
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A god that controls facts at will that creates a universe in which facts exist that contradict his own religious teachings either is trying to test people or doesn't exist, but again that's not relevant. What is relevant is that evolution is as real as gravity, and ID is championed by dangerous people.
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I don't even know where to begin with this.
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You could start with "Oh, you're right. Science doesn't have anything to do with meaning. That's philsoohpy. Silly me!"