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Originally Posted by KnifeMissile
I don't understand this kind of reasoning. Almost by definition, if something has some "impact," it can be measured. So, how can anyone suggest such a thing?
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I think the idea is that science is limited, and that humanity's ability to understand the universe is limited. Is there a phenomena that science can't observe? How could you tell?
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I don't think your analogies are apt.
We agree that trying to explain science with religion is stupid. However, that religion exists is a reality and science is the study of reality. So, why couldn't science examine religion? You don't think sociology and neurology are sciences? What are you saying, specifically?
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I think he's saying that the methods by which scientists go about explaining reality don't jibe well with the methods that religious folk use to explain reality, and also perhaps that it is useless to attempt to use science to try to explain things which are by definition not verifiable by scientific means. I think he's saying that folks who try to explain away theism with science miss the point of theism.
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If it were just press, then there would be far fewer concerned atheists. It's the incessant subversion of science by fundamentalists that has caused a backlash from nonbelievers to quell religion. If religion has caused you lot to go mad and rebuke science, something that has allowed my life to be as enjoyable as it is, then your religion has got to go!
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It is silly to lash out against all religion when your problems lie with a subset of religious folk. I cringe when some of my fellow atheists, the ones who would call themselves guardians of reason, can't be bothered to see the forest because of the trees that are in the way. The fact that certain fundamentalists feel threatened by science says nothing about religion in general. If one were so inclined as to take a casual survey of the facts, one might see that there are plenty of religious folk who also balk at the subversion of science, as well as plenty of people who, for completely secular reasons, would subvert science and reason as a convenient means to an end.