Tophat665

Well, therein lies the perversity of the human mind. A subset of humanity needs something to have faith in, and organized religion without a god is just a government without territory. Therefore, very early in the course of every organized religion I can think of (and I've put some study into this) God is defined as "Mysterious" or "Ineffable" or "Unknowable through Reason", to the effect that if it can be measured, it ain't God.

So how can anyone suggest such a thing? Job security is part of the answer.

Flip side of it is God is usually conceived of as a Cause rather than an effect. There are lots of cases where you can measure the effect, but the cause is obscure. Gravity is a great example. Masses attract. That's an effect. Why? Einstein took a stab at it and it seems to work, but until the mediation of cause and effect is observed, you can at most say that Einstein described a likely way that gravity may work.

Now, lest you mistake me for a believer, let me disabuse you. I am a shit disturber, and insisting on the existence of things beyond humanity's capacity to know is an argument that interests me. Is that God? I don't know. I don't much care. I think atheism misses the point. I do not believe that God is necessary, therefore I am unconcerned as to whether God exists in a objective sense. God Certainly and Inarguably, though, exists as an Idea. As fuzzy as Ineffability makes the idea, that may be as much of an existence as is needed to cause an effect.

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