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Originally Posted by powerclown
I honestly don't understand how people can dissassociate Obama from his pastor of 20 years, I really don't. This is a man who was very important to Obama personally, for so long, as he himself as said in his books and in public. It's a very complex situation.
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I don't understand why he would need do disassociate himself from someone who is very important to him simply because that person says things that he doesn't agree with. Isn't there anyone you look up to on certain matters, who you also know is full of shit when it comes to other things?
You're trying to hold Obama responsible for things his pastor said, things Obama has unequivocally publicly rejected. If you want to claim that you think his criticism are disingenuous, then that's your choice. As it stands, I don't think there is much to the idea that Obama is somehow some sort of super secret under cover black nationalist, which is the logical conclusion of what you seem to be insinuating.
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It's been said that Obama, coming from a doting white mother and an absent black father, was looking for radical elements in college and in the black community to solidify his own confused, yet ambitious, identity - and I think there is a lot of truth to that.
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So what? Are you the same person you were in college? One of my state senators was a Vietnam war protesting hippie- he even campaigned for Wellstone. He's now a republican and has consistently sided with the current administration on pretty much anything involving war. Even if Obama were searching for some sort of radical identity, how long ago was that? Even if Obama joined the church as a way of getting in touch with African Americans, what significance does that have?
Are you really trying to claim that twenty years ago, a young hotshot mixed-race lawyer with political ambitions decided that the best way to find long-term political success would be to embrace black nationalism?
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SecretMethod70 insists there aren't any other types of churches in that part of Chicago but it simply isn't true - there are more mainstream, less militant black churches, so one wonders why Obama choose one of the largest, most militantly nationalistic churches in Chicago? Do people honestly think it's just a coincidence? This is a highly educated, sophisticated man with a family, who could pick and choose whereever and whatever type of church he thought best for his family. Do you know that his church had articles in their church magazine in support of Hamas? It all just looks very strange for someone claiming to be so much to so many people. I hear where you're coming from, but I think this church thing says more about who Obama really is (not everything), than what you're giving it credit for, or what he's told the public up to now. With that, I'll leave the soapbox.
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The UCC is one of the most liberal denominations in the whole of Christianity. They don't even believe in hell. It's not like catholicism, or evangelicalism, where you go to hell if you don't agree with the pastor. I think that for a young, progressive person it would seem like the natural choice, especially in light of the how active some UCC churches are in various progressive causes.