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Originally Posted by willravel
Looking back at TFP posts in 2006, most of us lefties were perfectly aware of just how bad the Patriot Act was and were against it's renewal. We all groaned when so many Democrats cowardly crossed the isle and signed away our liberties.
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Yeah, I remember. Don't get me wrong--it's a travesty, and it never should have been made law to begin with, and I do wish we had a candidate who could say they were against ALL of the Bush incursions on our freedom. But given we've got what we've got, for my money Obama's a damn-sight better than anybody else. He's not even a lesser of evils. He's perhaps a somewhat bruised apple in a basket of rotten fruit.
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Originally Posted by willravel
If someone with balls had gone on record and said, "We can't win against enemies of freedom by becoming enemies of freedom" or some other clever lines over and over and over, using the GOP strategy of "repeat until it's true", there was a good chance giving the unheard majority a champion could have had a real shot at stopping the loss of liberties juggernaut. This isn't hindsight, either, as we were all complaining about this at the time.
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Yeah, I know. And I wish it had been politically feasible for somebody to do that. I like to think that
had it been, Obama would have been the one to do it. But I can't say I know that.
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Originally Posted by willravel
When I read your and DCs posts, they strike me as, with all due respect, defeatist. Defeatist rhetoric infected the Democratic party back in 2001, and it's long since been time to purge it.
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I don't think I know what you mean by defeatist. I think we're going to win.