View Single Post
Old 03-23-2008, 07:34 AM   #73 (permalink)
roachboy
 
roachboy's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: essex ma
pan--the ambiguity is about the nature of pain, not the nature of torture.
if you look at the definition of torture, much is couched in the language of use or intent.
and i think it a little strange to seriously ask the question of whether depriving someone of sleep for 72 hours in the interest of inducing some sleep-deprivation psychosis with the intent of extracting information is like taking away a kids' cookies or the like.

there is no mystery at the core of this: people are capable of barbarism, they are capable of sadism, they are capable of justifying absolutely inhuman treatment of others.
they can talk it away, rationalise it, make it ok: they treat others like things to be manipulated or destroyed.
this is easy---the past and sadly the present are replete with examples.
the real problem is what enables it--in contemporary terms, what ideology enables people to erase the fact that another is every bit as much a human being as they are and deliberately inflict pain on them.
since these ideologies are intechangeable as to outcome, and so it appears that we are base enough in this way that it is always possible to inflict extreme pain on others, then the law against torture bans the act itself.

i dont see any ambiguity here.

life is not a movie.
__________________
a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle
spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear

it make you sick.

-kamau brathwaite
roachboy is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360