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Originally Posted by sprocket
My point exactly. Which is why its silly to take an absolutist stance. There are indeed possible situations where torture would be the moral and right choice. Not saying they are ever likely to happen, but I'm sure they have at some point in the past and probably will again.
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I think the key word in your post is possible. However probability is much more relevant. The probability of this actually happening is near zip.
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Originally Posted by Greg700
The problem we have with detaining people here (humanely) is that we actually raise their standard of living. For the first time in their lives they get heat in the winter and air conditioning in the summer, three wholsome, nutricious, and tasty meals, TV, medical care, all the religious materials they could hope for, and are basically left alone. We have a real problem with guys getting released and then basically telling their buddies "Don't worry about getting caught, you will get taken care of, put on some weight, and be rested and ready to continue your Jihad when you get out"
Our standards work for American society where going to jail means a drop in your standard of living. For the average Afghan, going to a Coalition detention facility is like a good resort.
If we even treated our detainees to the same standard of living they are accustomed to, it would be called torture.
This isn't ment as an endorsement for torture, but the level of regard we give shitheads who are trying to force their brand of religion on other people is ridiculous.
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Sure, being in Gitmo is a move up, just like then Barbra Bush said "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway," she said, "so this is working very well for them" after Katrina. Who would prefer to be at home with your family when you could be be getting three daily meals and cot... in a locked cell where the lights stay on 24/7?
And what religion isn't trying to convert people to the their "light?" ie brand. Do you think all the Christian missionaries traveling the world aren't making every attempt to convert as many as possible?