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Originally Posted by dc_dux
dk....do you think the framers intended the rights outlined in the Bill of Rights to be absolute?
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wholeheartedly, absolutely, positively, 1,000% hell yes. The notion that rights are not absolute and subject to reasonable regulation is a 20th century creation that came about when, I believe, government found that it could not control people who were using rights to undermine policy objectives. Much in the same way that the incorporation doctrine 'magically' appeared after the 13th Amendment.
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Who should define and interpret these vague Constitutional terms ?
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The document defines these terms quite adequately. vagueness is only brought in to play when people disagree with others having that much freedom that they can't be controlled.
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What is an "abridgment" of free speech in the 1st Amendment. |
free speech zones, for one.
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When does search and seizure become "unreasonable" in the 4th Amendment?
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when the police stop someone open carrying a handgun, just for open carrying a handgun, even though it's quite legal.
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What is "just compensation" in the 5th Amendment?
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current market value of the property, usually before the government body declared it 'blighted' or condemned.
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Who defines a "speedy" trial in the 6th Amendment?
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should be the defendant.
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When is bail "excessive" in the 8th Amendment?
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when it would leave the 'bailee' with no real property afterwards.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Honestly? It depends on what they were trying to fix. If I agreed with them and found their logic sound, and felt that their requests or demands belonged in the Constitution, I'd back them. If not, then I'd fight them. That's generally how a constitutional democracy/republic works.
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the perfect example of how rights became subject to 'reasonable regulation'. A term that is now subject to interpretation by the very entity designed to protect rights and is often twisted and manipulated in order to achieve a public policy objective. Rights went from unalienable to subjective because people want to contol other people.
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I don't hold the Constitution in holy reverence, so changing it in order to help people is just fine with me.
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so you destroy the constitution to create your better world.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Please tell me I need help and I am crazy........ someone please tell me all I see and am worried about is in my mind and caused by all the drugs and gambling I did. Please.
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I wish I could offer you some promising words to allay your fears, but I can't. what you fear is happening is truly happening and it is only a matter of time before chaos ensues. People will then have to make a choice between freedom and liberty or life under martial law. Unfortunately, I see most people in this country responding to the fearmongering and will not only reject freedom, but outright demand the dictatorship presented to 'feel safe'.