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Old 03-19-2008, 02:37 PM   #231 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by jewels
Most of your posts in these threads which were made prior to 3/18 indicate your thoughts about Obama.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=132390

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=132420

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=132019

My point, though, is that up until now, I'd seen you as very open minded and nonjudgmental. In the past few weeks, something's changed, or this is a side of you I hadn't seen. If you run through all your posts regarding Obama and racism in the past month or so, you'll see they're repetitive in nature. I've watched as a dozen or so well-spoken TFP members have tried to gently get you to see, but you're reading something into their posts that isn't even there.
Ok so a week or so before it really took off, I was talking about it. But to hear people talk I have always been against Obama.

My point is other than this issue and the fact I believe I stated I felt he came out of nowhere to run for president... where else do I even mention his name let alone show I would in no way support him?


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There's no need for line by line analysis of everyone's post here. It comes down to respecting others' opinions. It may not be so from your perspective, but it feels (to me) as though you're paying lip service to everyone's answers to your questions and ignoring what was said, and responding again and again the same way.

You've been crying that your questions haven't been answered. But if your mind was truly open you'd see that your questions have all been answered in many different ways by some of the brilliant minds we have among us. No one cares if you disagree, or if you don't like Obama. We can and will respect any opinion.
I have just gone through not only his speech, but replies, line by line showing, explaining my opinion, how I have formed it and the questions I have had.

I have even shown attacks on me, in the process of these "polite responses" to me that were trying to show me something but not answer any of my questions.



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Personally, I'm a Politics lurker because I learn so much from "listening" to you guys spar on the issues. It's much more fun and interesting for me to learn this way. I've always enjoyed reading you, respect you, and often agree with your positions. This time you remind me of a pit bull latching onto the food dish that's been set before him. It's all been given to you (the answers you claim you want) but you're still not letting go. I can't help but wonder what you're really looking for.
I am very happy that you have found a voice and posted. We need new ideas, opinions and views here.

I appreciate your kind words, they truly mean a lot to me. I have always been extremely honest and passionate in my posts. I may not always be right but I have always explained my views the best way I know how.... this issue is no different. We will not always agree on issues but differing in views when the differences have been spelled out, should not affect one's respect (unless I went truly racist or said something extremely hateful and derogatory, which I do not see in any of my posts...others seem to though).

Perhaps, but again, since I went through the speech and posted line by line my questions, opinions and views... I have responded to their answers, most of which were inflammatory and telling me how closed minded I am.... but very few if any answers to the questions I posed.

All I want is to have the answers to the questions I pose.

This is for the presidency of the USA..... I am wanting to know who we are getting into office and I want to know as much about that person's character as I can.

Perhaps, I am missing something and I have asked questions. This is an extremely important and vital issue to me and I am trying hard to find answers so that even if I don't support the man vote wise, I can find something to support in the man. I'm having a hard time doing that and his race is not the issue.... I have discussed many times over the issues and questions I have.
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