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Old 03-19-2008, 12:33 PM   #223 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by JinnKai
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

Have you ever had this sort of thing directed at you?

Reverend Wright was born in 1941. He is certainly aware of such things, if not directly effected by them. He would've been in his 20s or 30s - easily within his lifetime.

If you think institutional racism is gone, or you think that being frustrated to the point of "God Damn America" is hate speech, then perhaps you should evaluate how privileged you really are.

Racism isn't just about calling people names and segregating them. "The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin." is a fine example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

So it is ok to fight hate, prejudiced and anger with hate, prejudiced and anger?

What does whether or not I am privileged have to do with a Rev. preaching in his church "God Damn America."

Regardless of what some may think here I am in no way shape or form racist. My best friends in the Navy were black men that I shared my hopes, pain and dreams with. I shared more with them because they were like brothers than I have with many of my white friends.

I work with black and white addicts and I treat them equally and give the same hope and faith equally.

I have never seen a man or woman or religious person not hired nor seen them fired simply because of race or sex or religion. I have attended many management meetings in different companies and have never been told as a manager to hire or fire anyone based on race/ethnicity/sex/religion. I was always told to hire the person best suited for the job. As a manager and when I owned my own business, I worked to hire the best people I could because the better the people I surrounded myself with, the better I looked.

I got that philosophy from my father, who hired and promoted many people of differing areas. I never once heard my father say he didn't hire a man because he was black, even though he was most qualified. My father went out and recruited those who would help him move forward and make him look his best. We had black men, women, people of all religions at our family dinner table as dad interviewed them. Our families at times would become close. I called the kids of many of those he hired from differing backgrounds, friends.

I am not saying racism doesn't exist, but I have seen it on both sides, but never once in any company I have been employed by.

Don't lecture me about racism. Racism only exists when we allow it. Obama allowed his Rev. continue and exploit racism and did nothing until he, himself realized he would not get elected if he didn't do something.

His actions and what he has done about it for the last 20 years by following a man exploiting and continuing racism from a pulpit speaks more of his character than a well written and rehearsed speech.

To excuse this Rev.'s hatred and prejudicial sermons and his trip to Libya and his praising of Farrakhan, as that of someone he saw segregation and lived through all those racist times is a bullshit self serving excuse.

Thurgood Marshall saw it, Rev. Martin Luther King lived through it, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas and many many others we will never know and they were uniters. Not 1 of them ever used hatred and prejudice to further their own causes. Not one of them went to terroristic states with men of hate to meet with the leader of that country. If anything, most were pronounced "not black enough", they were met with hostility as "sell outs".

So don't talk to me about racism. Don't tell me how it is "ok, because he lived through it and you didn't."

I believe Obama's gist was hatred and prejudice isn't the answer to racism and prejudice. Yet, he chose for 20 years to go to a church where the Rev. taught that, lived by that (as demonstrated with his 1984 trip to Libya with Louis Farrakhan), he chose to name this Rev to his election advisory committee, to be married by him, to have him baptize his kids.

Then 1 week he says "I was never there and never saw this man speak those hateful things" and a week later when he needs damage control he say, "Ok, I was there but I vehemently disagreed with it." Nowhere does he ever say he discussed it with Rev. Wright and try to change his mind. But he and his supporters are quick to make excuses for it.

To say America deserved 9/11, is forgivable? And to put a man that says, that on your election committee and call him your spiritual and religious mentor, is commendable and should not be questioned?

To put a man, who calls one of the biggest public racists (Farrakhan) in the USA a "great man" and gives him awards and traveled to a terroristic state (Libya) that called for the destruction of the USA and meet with the leader of that country with Farrakhan on you election committee and call him your "spiritual and religous mentor" is acceptable and should not be questioned.

To say you vehemently disagree with the man, but to put him on your election advisory committee is commendable and acceptable and should not be questioned?

I'm sorry. I need to question those actions and to expect answers from the man who wants to be my president. I think it says a lot about his character and own private political beliefs and I as a voter am entitled to ask and want answers to these questions.
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