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Originally Posted by Seaver
However, you keep trying to pin this as a strawman argument. This isn't a strawman, would you honestly take this approach if the situation was the reverse? Everyone on this thread has ignored my posts, in part because I honestly believe they have no answer to it.
It were strawman if you would not care if it were a conservative in my example. As it's clearly not the case it's not one.
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It is absolutely a strawman argument promulgated and perpetuated by the right wing who would prefer to see Clinton as the Dem nominee; someone they believe would be easier to defeat in the general election.
The only persons perpetuating it here are those who would not likely be Obama voters under any circumstances. And even among some conservatives/libertarians here who are not Obama supporters, there are suggestions that the church/pastor are non-issues for judging Obama's fitness to serve.
I agree with Roachboy that it is probably not worth explaining, because I dont think you are likely to listen objectively...but I will try anyway.
The race/church/preacher issue is not resonating with most of those (Dem and Independent) voting in the Dem primaries/caucuses.
One only need to look at the demographics of the Obama voters. Among white voters, he is winning the young vote, the women vote, the Independent vote, the college educated vote, and the upper middle/upper income vote.
He is winning primaries and caucuses in states with very small black populations - Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Nebraska, North Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Wyoming.
This doesnt suggest he will win the hard core red states where he won the primary...but those demographics put several red states in play.
The only demographics he is not winning are seniors and blue collar white males...and these groups, if I could generalize, are more likely to have a hidden issue with race.
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Originally Posted by flstf
This man has an extreme uphill climb getting past those who are inclined to not vote for a black man and/or those who associate his middle name with some sort of connection to terrorism.
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The exit polls suggest that he does not have an uphill climb with the demographic groups I noted for the general election, particularly among swing Independent voters - young, women, upper middle/upper income, college educated are more likely to vote Obama than McCain.
He may have an uphill climb with seniors..but offset by the fact that this group is also very much opposed to the continued occupation in Iraq which is at the core of McCain's campaign.
The blue color white males (Reagan democrats) will be the toughest for Obama, but can be convinced on pocketbook issues, where McCain has little to offer (extending tax cuts for the wealthy. no real plan to deal with rising health care costs. his history of anti-union votes, etc ).