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Originally Posted by pig
I can say two things at present:
1. Knifemissile is not one of the religious folk. Ha!
2. I'm glad Knifemissile is back on the boards.
Aside from that, I'll have to review the information he has posted. Regardless, I agree with his basic position. Greetings to you sir - good to see you back. I trust you'll be as ascerbic as I recall?
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Thank you, pig! It's always nice to be remembered. I recall you and your posts have always been constructive and thoughtful...
In general, I will be my usual caustic self. As you have astutely noted, vitriol is just my nature. However, considering the traffic and theme of this thread, I think I'm going to dawn my kid gloves... I'm actually going to try to educate people without beating them over the head with the logic stick... too hard...
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Originally Posted by Shauk
all the rest aside, as it is all hinging the entire theory on this point alone, how does one reach this conclusion besides making a model which "rewinds" the current timeline for where all the mass is and is traveling and makes a guesstimation that "well if we shrunk it all down and such it'd start a reverse toilet bowl swirl right back in to this infintely small dense point!" so is this "point" the origin of the everything as we know it? Does it have a name? or is this just some cracky theory that someone cooked up?
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Good God... Please correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're doing two things...
First, it sounds like you're conflating two issues: the
Big Bang theory and the biological
theory of Evolution. The two are sufficiently different that it's fair to say that they have nothing to do with each other, regardless of what Creationists would imply. Get that out of your head right now! The Big Bang Theory is the theory of the origin of the Universe while Evolution is the theory of how biological organisms change and speciate over time. Notice how unrelated they are? I can understand if you didn't read all the articles linked by the orignal posts but... did you read that post at all?
Secondly, it sounds like you're trying to assert that if we don't know how it all got here then there's no point in formulating theories about how things work. This is, of course, ludicrous. Even if we have no idea how all of space, time and matter came to be in this Universe, that doesn't prevent us from understanding how space, time and matter behave in this Universe. That's how we're able to manipulate space, time and (especially) matter to suit our needs in this modern, technological world. Similarly, not knowing the origin of the Universe, or even life, doesn't prevent us from seeing how life has evolved over time. These are separate issues...
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I have a hard time fathoming that this dense point didn't have an origin and timeline of it's own.
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This is a strange logical fallacy about the origin of the Universe. This is off topic to this thread but I will indulge, just a little bit. Time is one of the things created by the Big Bang. So, what does it mean for the "dense point" to have an "origin" or "timeline?" Time was a result of the Big Bang, so it makes no sense to talk about things happening "before" it since that is an expression of time. Accordingly, causation doesn't work the same way, either, because our colloquial undrestanding of it involves time as well. Therefore, your points dont really make any sense...