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Originally Posted by willravel
I've never seen anyone kicked off a plane for coughing or having a nose bleed. I've never seen anyone turned away at our borders for having the runs.
Perhaps if the federal government wants to stop diseases from entering the country, they should actually take steps to stop diseases from entering the country. It seems like an excuse more than a reason if they're really using that to argue against illegal immigration.
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Well, work to change the law. People LEGALLY coming here don't seem to have issues waiting and having the necessary shots, passports, medical records to attain a legal status here.
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Several reasons. First off, people like myself are satisfied that there are not any good reasons to deport simply because one is here illegally. I know first hand exactly how much our country needs them, and I see that they don't commit additional crimes or bring in diseases. Because people like myself have already made these determinations, when you jump in and scream ILLEGAL without making arguments (the "disease" argument is the first I've seen to support your position), it's not unreasonable to associate you with others that share your viewpoint, such as the Minutemen. The Minutemen are, in fact, completely racist and xenophobic, thus you're essentially guilty by association.
I myself don't think you're a racist, but that's probably why others do.
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First, just because you choose to ignore a law does not make it less of a law. But then instead of defending your position positively, you need to continue to bring in racist undertones and make implications and underhanded accusations to "win" support and your arguments.
One, such as myself, can look at that and decide you have no substantial positive information to share to try to change my point of view. Instead you will just make your implications, guilt by associations and underhanded accusations and hope that fear of being labeled will change my views.
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That's what I'm trying to do, but the next half a page is about negative attitudes or some such nonsense.
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So instead of showing respect to my views, now they are some such nonsense and thus you have deemed to just label and ignore them.
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Even with all the things you mention, two facts remain:
1) Our economy will always be better than Mexico's (or most countries from which illegal immigrants come from, which basically means Central and South America, the Caribbean, parts of Asia, Africa, etc.)
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Perhaps, time will tell.
So instead of helping these people to build their own countries, better their own nations and develop themselves, we can just let them come in and live a better life. Why not tell these people to try building a better country where they are? Build pride in themselves as they create wealth in their own countries. No, just simpler and easier to let them come here.
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2) The illegal immigrants strengthen our economy considerably. Without them, the markets in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, and other places would likely collapse because we wouldn't be able to pay little for much work to citizens. Because they put more work into our economy than they get pay out, they are a boon and ultimately irreplaceable without creating a slave labor force.
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A class just above slave labor..... not going to affect what employees pay LEGAL citizens in this country, not at all.
"We'll just give these ILLEGALS jobs we don't want, pay them shit wages to keep our prices down, and they can live in slums and I'll look and feel good about myself and say, "Look how hard they work and look there's 5 families living together with no true hope of advancement... but I feel damn good about myself because I allowed them to come in here ILLEGALLY."
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Besides, it's not their fault that 1 million homes foreclosed, 3 million homeowners behind in payments, unemployment is raising at record paces, inflation is strangling us, medical costs are out of control, the rich are controlling more and more of the wealth and so on. It's our fault. The blame for the sub prime debacle lies with two parties: the idiots who took the loans and the idiots who gave them. Unemployment has to do with outsourcing (which is actually the opposite of what undocumented guest workers do, so one could argue that they're helping us with that... now if only Guatemala could attack India...). Inflation, medical costs, class separation... all the fault for that lies with the government.
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Well, first, WE are the government so ALL this is OUR fault.
I see so those who could not buy homes under normal circumstances (which obviously was a lot of hard working families) are "idiots" (your words not mine) for wanting a home and thus taking the only loan available to them an ARM.
Those who saw a way of making money and giving people a chance to maybe own a piece of the American dream so decided to support and give out ARMs are "idiots".
These "idiots" were trying to live decent respectable lives and got caught up in political and economical games.... but they were idiots.
Meanwhile, people who come here ILLEGALLY and you give them a slightly above slave labor classed job and allow them to live in squalor (but it's a better than where they came from squalor), those are great decent people and you have a heart of gold and are the working man's hero......
WOW Will, and people call me a racist. I can live with being a racist because when I look and see what I just saw come from you and your thinking.... yes, my racist thinking is far less hateful and destructive than your thinking... so I'll keep my views and disregard yours as elitist, self serving, egotistical, self righteous, self indulgent bullshit.
No offense. No respect. No desire to change. You keep your negativity and I'll look for answers from others, who actually want to better people and not play some weird games where they will call hard working LEGAL citizens "idiots" for trying to hold onto their dream... while they praise those they can get here ILLEGALLY so those immigrants can work slightly above slave labor.
YOUR words above show me what kind of person you truly are there Will. Good day.