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Originally Posted by pan6467
If the Federal government believes it is easier to control diseases coming into this country, provides a safer environment for it's citizens and is in the nation's best interest as a whole to have a law on how people can immigrate (for example), they pass the law, the set forth the punishment and classification, then it is a law one must follow.
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I've never seen anyone kicked off a plane for coughing or having a nose bleed. I've never seen anyone turned away at our borders for having the runs.
Perhaps if the federal government wants to stop diseases from entering the country, they should actually take steps to stop diseases from entering the country. It seems like an excuse more than a reason if they're really using that to argue against illegal immigration.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
See now this wasn't so hard. Now then you tell me why, when one says ILLEGAL immigrants should be deported and believes the laws should be more stringently enforced and the punishments stiffer.
They are labeled and talked to in negative tones.
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Several reasons. First off, people like myself are satisfied that there are not any good reasons to deport simply because one is here illegally. I know first hand exactly how much our country needs them, and I see that they don't commit additional crimes or bring in diseases. Because people like myself have already made these determinations, when you jump in and scream ILLEGAL without making arguments (the "disease" argument is the first I've seen to support your position), it's not unreasonable to associate you with others that share your viewpoint, such as the Minutemen. The Minutemen are, in fact, completely racist and xenophobic, thus you're essentially guilty by association.
I myself don't think you're a racist, but that's probably why others do.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Why not try to converse learn from one another figure out a compromise that is acceptable to both sides and move on?
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That's what I'm trying to do, but the next half a page is about negative attitudes or some such nonsense.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
I also find it very interesting how on one hand we see for a fact 1 million homes foreclosed, 3 million homeowners behind in payments, unemployment raising at record paces, inflation is strangling us, how medical costs are out of control, how the rich are controlling more and more of the wealth and so on.... yet we should open our borders so that people who want to come in can partake in this great prosperity we are enjoying....... shouldn't we work to find ways to get the prosperity back? Get the jobs back? Find ways to distribute the wealth better? Work to find a way to rebuild the medical costs and basically just fix our country, before we bring in others? Or should we just continue to bring people in on a system that s overburdened now only to add more weight and speed up the decline?
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Even with all the things you mention, two facts remain:
1) Our economy will always be better than Mexico's (or most countries from which illegal immigrants come from, which basically means Central and South America, the Caribbean, parts of Asia, Africa, etc.)
2) The illegal immigrants strengthen our economy considerably. Without them, the markets in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, and other places would likely collapse because we wouldn't be able to pay little for much work to citizens. Because they put more work into our economy than they get pay out, they are a boon and ultimately irreplaceable without creating a slave labor force.
Besides, it's not their fault that 1 million homes foreclosed, 3 million homeowners behind in payments, unemployment is raising at record paces, inflation is strangling us, medical costs are out of control, the rich are controlling more and more of the wealth and so on. It's our fault. The blame for the sub prime debacle lies with two parties: the idiots who took the loans and the idiots who gave them. Unemployment has to do with outsourcing (which is actually the opposite of what undocumented guest workers do, so one could argue that they're helping us with that... now if only Guatemala could attack India...). Inflation, medical costs, class separation... all the fault for that lies with the government.