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Originally Posted by Hanxter
"get over it"
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In other words, you don't care if people threadjack. Fine:
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
[2.190] ...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you...[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
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The "..." bullshit doesn't fly. It's actually: "And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you,
but be not aggressive. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors." And you missed the end there, too. After "Such is the recompense of disbelievers." is "But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
These omissions translate to literally: "don't start the fight, and if they stop fighting, then you stop fighting." Oh my god... how terrible!!!
I won't even bother with the rest.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
But while you can pick and choose what you want to make it look peaceful or warlike, it doesn't matter. When they send youth out with bombs under their coats to kill civilians it doesn't matter anymore.
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It sure as fuck does matter. The funny thing is that most Muslims are perfectly aware that Christianity and Islam are really similar, but most Christians, at least in the US, are blissfully ignorant. That's what this thread is about. It's about exposing Baptists to the fact that Jesus is considered a prophet by Muslims. It's about exposing Presbyterians to the fact that there is a whole chapter in the Qur'an called "Mary", referring to the mother of Jesus Christ. It's about explaining to Lutherans that Muslims believe that Jesus performed miracles.
Of course, many of the Christians of the US are satisfied with voting for a moron that will bomb and invade primarily Muslim countries and kill their citizens it doesn't matter anymore.
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Originally Posted by Powerclown
For a vehement atheist, you seem awfully concerned about religion.
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No shit. Do you think that may be because in Okalahomoron, one can raise their hand in science class and say "Jesus" in order to get an A? I don't want it shoved down my throat every day. I don't want my kids indoctrinated. I don't want to live in a theocracy. There is only one actual theocracy on the planet right now: Iran. Look at how that's working out, and then apply it to a nation with the world's most powerful military.
Also, I probably know more about Christianity than the average Christian. Why? So I can defend myself. "Ur, an atheist?! Debil worshiper?! *drools*" can sometimes be followed by serious posturing and occasionally the thread of physical harm. I have to be able to twist their own religion to my advantage in order to shut them up.
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Originally Posted by Powerclown
How do you know that? Did you have host google that for you somehow and you automatically believe it, well its simply not true; I am for some federally funded social programs such as veterans assistance, domestic abuse, healthcare, drug addiction/education, mental health issues, creative arts endowments, international aid programs and the like. So, Apples & Oranges.
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The point still stands strong. Many religious people are ignorant to religion, to the point where an atheist has to lay it out for them. Did you know that Muslims believe that Jesus had a virgin birth? Did you know that they believe that Jesus will return at judgment day? Did you know they believe in John the Baptist?
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Originally Posted by Powerclown
But I see what will is trying to do here, and I suppose it is admirable, although I know in the same breath he supports what Hamas and Hezbollah are trying to do to Israel.
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Hezbollah and Hamas shouldn't exist, just like Israel. They are each organizations that attack innocent people and who support a radical religious agenda which stands in stark opposition to free thought.