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Originally Posted by pan6467
Of course what do I know, some great Dem pundits here mocked me and told me I had no idea what I was talking about when I said Fla. and Mich. were going to bite them on the ass or cost taxpayers millions and either way have the voters in those states pissed off.
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The point of contention wasn't and isn't that Florida and Michigan will be pains in the ass. Of course they will, and Clinton will make sure of it because they're a critical to her chances (though that could backfire since Michigan could easily go Obama with a proper election). The disagreement was and is over whether Florida and Michigan
should be pains in the ass. Of course it will wost someone millions to clean up the mess (though, it's unlikely to be taxpayers footing the bill in this case), but what many people have said here is that it shouldn't be considered such a mess in the first place. It's a rather cut and dry situation. The state parties and the campaigns agreed to certain rules well in advance of the primary season. The states then decided that they didn't have to play by the rules
they already agreed to and instead scheduled their primaries for earlier than they should have been. As a consequence, they were stripped of their delegates: something they knew was likely to happen. The states are playing chicken with their citizen's votes, plain and simple. Honestly, if I were a resident of either of those states, I would vote against the incumbent in every upcoming election. Playing chicken with my vote is inexcusable. It's not the national Democratic party's fault, and it's not the fault of the campaigns, so they should not have to foot the bill. For someone whose primary rationale for getting so vehemently upset over illegal immigration is the mere fact that it's illegal, I'd think you'd have more respect for the fact there were set rules and that the states knowingly violated those rules. The consequences are not the fault of the national Democratic party or the campaigns, they are the fault of the states and the states alone.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Now you take Obama's biggest message "change in how things are done..." (even though he shows no true plans)
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Please,
go here and get reading. It's one thing to disagree and think that his plans are not good ones - that's a perfectly valid debate to have - but this talking point that Obama doesn't have any idea how he wants to do the things he says is just ludicrous.