What can legitimize Hamas RB, when they insist on infighting with Fatah, and not renouncing terrorism?
I'm sure things were peachy for Israel at their inception, there was that whole being invaded by 9 neighboring armies when they declared independence.
I can maybe see a parallel in RB's point that Israel was founded partially as a result of terrorism. But comparing the Israeli's of then to Hamas is night and day. Why legitimize a group that doesn't want to work with you? The road map could be the worse thing ever, it probably won't work, I would argue it isn't Bush's fault, it never had a chance...; at any rate at least in Fatah there is a partner willing to work with the outside parties.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Regardless of what Hamas does, Israel should not get a "get-out-of-human-rights-free card."
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I cannot fathom this thought process, what is Israel's option then?
They have no means of redress because Palestine is at best an infant in terms of government/being a nation state. They are letting the Palestinians off easy when you consider daily aggressive actions taken against them. The Palestinians won't reign in their own militants, they vote them into a place of political power. Israeli's have the right to defend themselves, not only the right, but the repsonsibility.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Said thriving would be fully dependent on the axiom that Israel would simply stop fighting if the Palestinian leadership stopped antagonizing Israel. This is a false axiom. Maybe I should ask you this: how is Israel stopping terrorism by annexing land and bulldozing Palestinian homes? The obvious answer is they're not. No, I'd say that based on the actions of the Israeli state that their goal is not peace with the Palestinians but rather to simply remove them completely from Israel AND their lands. Based on that, if the Palestinians stopped fighting, they'd simply make it easier for the Israelis to remove them.
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Israel has stopped annexing land, as far as the bulldozing of homes, perhaps consider renouncing suicide bombings.
Israel has offered peace and concessions more times than it should've, the Arabs and the Palestinians only have themselves to blame for the current situation they are facing.