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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
I'm not here to call out pan as a right-wing, reactionary racist. Believe me, I've seen them, talked to them, lived around them. I know from where I speak.
Although it can't be denied pan is highly reactive to issues of non-white race and culture, these issues usually being viewed as some kind of a threat to his own idea of 'American' culture and national 'pride.' pan may want to deny this and he can go right ahead. I think there is ample evidence right here on TFP to support my observation.
I don't necessarily think he has an agenda, which is what would most literally define a racist in my estimation, but I think he has issues with race that cause him to react in ways that could easily be interpreted as 'racist' in a colloquial sense. As we have seen in people's reactions to his posts in this thread previously and since.
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What issues do I have with race?
I'm outspoken on Illegal Immigrants.... ummmm they are illegal and bankrupting Western Medical facilities, taking jobs away from hard workers and we have no idea who is coming over.
I bring up Obama's church because it became an issue to me this week. I grew up listening to Billy Cunningham on WLW and while he is outspoken and I don't agree with his politics, I became angered over the fact that people wanted him fired and taken off the air because he said Barack Hussein Obama. at a McCain rally.
I'm tired of censorship. I had heard about Obama's church but never cared to look into it, mainly because to me it wasn't an issue. Up until this time to be honest, I was truly undecided, I was scared of Obama because he just seemed to come out of nowhere, but his message seemed very intriguing and more positive than Hilary's.
I heard people talking about the issue of how even McCain pulled back because of Billy's use of "Hussein" and I listened to him talk about Obama's church. I investigated. I didn't exactly like what I saw, and decided to post here what I felt.
I figured someone here that I may respect would answer me with some honest answers and allay my fears. I was quite heated when I typed my reply because of the censorship issue and the "visions" I read from that church.
I was instead greeted by the very disrespectful replies I have shown in past posts.
No one allayed my fears, no one took the time to talk to me with respect over the issues. In the meantime I asked close friends at work (3 of the 5 happen to be black) and asked them what they thought. The one who when LS and I got married called us "devil worshippers" and was at one time a serious militant explained to me about Obama's church, she quelled my fears and anger and did so in a way that I was able to feel good that I asked.
McCain going after some white racist preacher doesn't bother me because that's what GOP candidates do. They make nice with extremists. I expected that from McCain. All this talk of McCain being "to moderate" and "not a true conservative" is bullshit, they said the same thing about W in 2000. I'm truly not concerned about McCain.
But perhaps, MM you can give me examples of my being racist by PMing me or opening a new thread. I would love to stop that lie and slanderous statement against me. I will not have someone who knows nothing about me at all make accusations that have absolutely no merit to them at all.
BTW, yes, I will probably vote for Obama in Nov. because while I do have fears (such as how fast he has risen, some of his stances on the issues) he is still better than McCain (or Bush lite).
I am just sorry that my "friends" on here decided to label me, call me out, degrade me, minimize the issue and treat me like shit. When all it would have taken would have been a PM or a simple talking to about my fears.
As Ms. M at work said, "It's not racist to ask the questions that bother you, you may even be passionate because the issue means something to you, it's racist to make assumptions and not ask at all." Then she told me about Obama's church... she happens to belong to a very similar church in Akron.