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Old 03-03-2008, 10:28 AM   #34 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Pan....the only reason Obama's church and "spiritual advisor" are issues at all is because of the portrayal (by both the Clinton camp and right wing media) of Obama as some kind of radical muslim.
No, read what I have written. Libya in the 80's, giving awards to Farrakhan, his last sermon, the things I have pointed out in my last post... all seem very racist and coming from a man with a closed mind. Having a President with a closed minded racist "spiritual leader" scares me.

If I had a closed mind I wouldn't be asking the questions, I wouldn't be worried about all this.

I'm being very open minded but I have yet to see answers that don't call me racist. Is it truly racist to point out things that bother you about a presidential candidate, question those things and not 1 person can answer those questions with any form of rationality because they are stuck calling, implying or talking to you as though you are a racist.

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Do you even know what church McCain attends? or who is spiritual advisor is? I do know he actively sought out the endorsement of the televanglist John Hagee, who has uttered vile racist and anti-catholic remarks on a regular basis. So where is your outrage?
Show me the proof and YES, I'll be just as outraged and raising just as much of a stink.

I am not doing this to attack Obama, regardless what those who would paint me as a racist want everyone else to believe...... I am attacking a school of thought, racism and hatred... that I perceive coming out. Iwill do the same to John Sydney McCain, if given information that his "spiritual mentor" has done similar things.

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Have you ever referred to McCain as John Sydney McCain? ...so why the Barack Hussein Obama?
I'm not a McCain fan, I never cared to know that much about the man because up until now, I didn't think he stood a chance in Hell to win. He does. Mainly because the questions I ask now, once Obama gets the nomination... there will be many others making similar questions. To call them racists and provide answers that have come in previous posts do not answers the questions, do not alleviate or make them go away, it only makes those asking them, why won't you answer the questions without attacking the person asking them.

If I were a black man asking these questions, what would your answers be then?


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The only thing I would add is that Mixed Media has it right....take a look at yourself first, pan!
Really, first, from day 1 on m arrival here I have never called myself a "liberal", I am socially liberal, fiscally conservative and most definitely a centrist in my politics, I lean Left in a lot of my views, but it is just that a "LEAN", not a leap Left.

And if you can't answer the questions put forth without attacking me, implying that I'm a racist and so on..... come September, October and that day in November the others who have asked it will pull the lever for someone else.

You can only guilt someone for so long.... then when the legitimate questions don't get answered, you just try to guilt the people asking into not asking... they will ask why there were no answers just guilt, names called, insinuations thrown around and so on. They will vote where they weren't made to feel in such ways.

Basically, if you can't answer the questions without attacking, no matter how subtly.... I would say to you, yo really don't have the answers either. f you have to answer these questions with attack and defensiveness, then perhaps you also need to find the answers out because I'm not seeing anything that is changing my value on these questions. Only strengthening them, because there are no answers without attacks.

I have these questions, I am looking to Obama supporters here to answer them and show me why they shouldn't matter. But with the attacks and how the questions do not get answered without attacks..... I don't get the answers thus I am left wondering why. Why are the questions going unanswered without attacks?

That should scare anyone.

MLK Obama is not.

Maybe I'm wrong, I'm wrong about a lot of things I'm vehement about... but until I have the answers I need... I cannot nor will ever support Obama.

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Who would you vote for?
Illinois State Senator Barack Hussein Obama.

Especially since he doesn't mind wearing traditional Kenyan dress.

Because he can love both America and Africa at the same time.

Love to Africa. Love to America.
Why was I attacked for using Obama's middle name when way before I even ever gave thought to typing it, it was used.
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