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Originally Posted by willravel
I guess you're not familiar with the extent to which the veterans health care program is broken. Apparently you're unaware of forms that go unprocessed for years. You're probably also unaware that many disabled veterans don't get military retirement and VA compensation. Jeez, don't even get me started on wounded veterans.
Why aren't you familiar with any of this? It seems odd to me.
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Those are functions of the VA, not the DoD. Do you hold recruiters responsible for the failings of another cabinet level authority?
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I'll clarify. Under the UN Charter there are two circumstances in which the use of military force by a signatory is allowable:
1) If they are in danger of an imminent armed attack
2) When the Security Council has specifically allowed said force
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There are no such stipulations in the UN charter.
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We were in no danger, imminent or otherwise from Iraq and the US has to drop our proposal to the UN because it was clear the Security Council was going to vote no. If you want further information on that proposal (which was called either "eighteenth resolution" or "second resolution"), I'm sure the information is readily available.
And before you go on about how the current Iraq War is covered under the resolutions (such as 1441, 660, etc.) that were applicable for the Gulf War, don't bother. First off, the US wouldn't have proposed new resolutions for the invasion if the old ones applied and second the UN officially condemned the invasion. For each individual military action there must legally be UN Security Council approval. There was none for "Iraq Freedom" or "Enduring Freedom".
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Irrelevant since your initial premise is incorrect.
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Do what you're legally obliged to do if you want. Combine the information above about the UN Charter with the fact that you are legally obliged to disobey illegal orders and you've got.... well Watada, actually.
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Again, see above.
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And I suppose soldiers who refuse to open fire on unarmed civilians are non-hackers, too? How about soldiers that are asked to torture and refuse? More non-hackers? Do you really want a standing army of non-thinkers? Robots who simply do what they're told no matter what their conscience tells them?
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I have dealt with the issue of unlawful direct orders ad naseum.
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BTW, the military judge is in deep shit because his courtroom was a fucking joke. He fucked up. It has nothing to do with legalese and everything to do with justice.
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Justice would be fullfilling the oath you took rather than playing shithouse lawyer because you were scared to do what you had committed to.
Failure to adapt discharges (Chapter 7) are the most common IET discharge, they do not go on any permanent record and have no effect on your life unless you try to join the military again.
I think the telling issue is that even back then the
policy was to deal with the problem, for example the hiatus to retrain recruiters.
If this thread had been called "Is this reasonable if recruiters use blatantly deceptive methods to recruit youths?" I wouldn't have even bothered to respond, except perhaps to note that "blatantly deceptive" is an oxymoron...
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Perhaps I should have added "high minds (and horses) and ingrates to "stupid" and treasonous"
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I suggest you watch the video posted on the previous page, sir. I would not (nor did I) say treasonous, but stupid definitely applies. As to the rest:
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Originally Posted by willravel
The only way I'd need the military is if I were a contractor, and a lot of Berkeley agrees with me.
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High mind, high horse, ingrate.
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You conduct yourself "according to law and regulation" and willravel and the citizens of Berkeley conduct themselves according to their Constitution right of speech, assembly and expression.
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I assure you I speak as freely as the next man, just not in an official capacity. My presence in this thread was for the purpose of letting you know how the military works, knowlege some people are woefully lacking in apparently.
Don't think for a second I am trampling your rights, quite the opposite is true.