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Originally Posted by willravel
You said that "shitting" on the troops is the same as the things I'm defending the veterans from. Either you were knowingly exaggerating or you aren't aware of how poorly veterans are treated.
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Will, I am one. That gives me a pretty good idea. What are your credentials again?
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I disagree with actions, not being. Being something and doing something are vastly different. For example: I don't care if you're a soldier, but I do care what you do as a soldier. Case in point: Ehren Watada.
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Soon to be ex-1LT Watada disobeyed a direct lawful order and tried to dictate policy, neither of which are permitted whilst in the military. He claimed that he would be party to war crimes if deployed, but countries do not commit war crimes, individuals do. He said he is willing to serve jail time for his beliefs, indulge him.
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You're not serving the will of the country, you're serving your CO, who is serving under his who eventually serves the President or Congress who are serving special interests. Don't try to embellish military service with "we serve the people". If you served the will of the people, you would have withdrawn from Iraq over a year ago.
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No, will. We follow orders, period. Those orders come from the CiC, who is elected by the people of the United States. I have said this again and again, you do not want the military making its own descisions what to do. Really, you don't. We don't go by opinion polls, we don't listen to who yells the loudest. If you don't like what the military is doing, look in the mirror and blame yourself: you didn't work hard enough in 2004.
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You not just can but are legally obligated to disobey illegal orders. Like breaching the UN Charter, which is a US treaty and thus US law, for example.
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I suggest you spend your time petitioning the Supreme Court then. It is my duty to refuse a clearly illegal order, not try to interpret the UN charter. I am not qualified to do that, and if memory of your previous attempts to do so serves, neither are you.
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If the 6'1" black guy who could probably wipe the floor with 71 year old McCain gets elected and you disobey orders that start with him you had better have US law or the UCMJ on you side. Like Watada.
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Obama couldn't bust a grape in a food fight, and wiping the floor with a warmed over corpse isn't that impressive. But I digress. Watada did not have the UCMJ on his side, that's why he is history.
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Just because Tully Mars actually managed to find the letter of the law doesn't mean it's DoD policy and more importantly it doesn't mean it's common practice. I remember posting several links about this pages ago, making it clear that the military doesn't really do anything about it (unless they're caught). Should I google to find them again?
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The letter of the law is policy. We don't just strap on our sandals, smoke some pot, and make this up as we go. The policy is codified in the UCMJ, it's just that simple. It is DoD policy to prosecute recruiter who are found to have lied to recruits, why can't you understand that?
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Originally Posted by willravel
I apologize, I should have been more clear. By "policy", I was referring to common practice that's generally accepted and covertly defended or even promoted.
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That's not policy, will. Thats culture. If thats what you meant I wish you had said so up front, it would have saved a lot of time.