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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
...The placement within a class is still viewed as an important indicator of how effective a leader the individual will be, and it's mentioned quite often with historical figures. Lee and McCarthur - top of their classes; Patton and Grant - bottom.
If he wasn't popular and hard working among men being trained in leadership (and make no mistake, that's what all 4 service academies do), what does that tell you? It speaks volumes to me, and I'm not a graduate of any of them.
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Are you saying Patton wasn't an effective leader? The man won every single military campaign he participated in. Granted, he was tempermental, crude and politically incorrect measured by todays retarded standards, but there's no doubting his outstanding battlefield record. He was street smart over book smart, which his soldiers appreciated.
So I certainly can't penalize McCain his real-world leadership capabilities based upon some tenuous-at-best assertion he wasn't "popular" with his peers as a lad, or that he had "disciplinary" problems in college. He's certainly more than made up for "a lack of popularity" since then.