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Old 02-18-2008, 02:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by ngdawg
OK, they distribute beer. He ranks 7th in wealthy senators. I'm betting Kennedy is higher and how'd he get rich? Daddy-it's been long rumored Daddy Kennedy made a fortune as a rum "distributor" during Prohibition.
Now, did you vote for John Kerry in 2004? Ketchup money through the wife.

Your post reaks of Republican bashing, not of wanting to understand the disparities of the classes or how they came about.
The evidence in the article I provided from the March 26, 1977 edition of the Albuquerque Journal, citing the minutes of meetings of the New Mexico Racing Commission, is overwhelming that James Hensley worked, for at least 8 years, for Kemper Marley and that Hensley fraudulantly received approval from the Racing Commission to purchase Ruidoso Downs Race track by concealing that one of his two equal partners in the purchase was a mob connected gambler specifically prohibited by the Commission, from being a partner seeking approval from the commission to purchase the track.

The evidence is that Hensley was convicted of multiple felonies of liquor invoice fraud, and received a suspended 6 months federal prison sentence, and then was indicted, 5 years later on similar felony charges, and was defended successfully against those charges by William Rehnquist, future SCOTUS chief justice.

The evidence of those racing commission hearing minutes shows that Kemper Marley..., the Hensley brothers employer for at least 8 years (1945 to 1953) and friend since the 1930's, was:
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....The 1953 State Police report in connection with it's Arizona investigation of the Hensleys and Baldwin noted Marley "owned a wire service formerly operated in connection with bookmaking of the Al Capone gang."

The same report listed Baldiwn as a "bookmaker for leading tracks" and said that Marley "is reputed to be the financial backer for bookies..."
We also know that, despite felony convictions for liquor invoice fraud, James Hensley was allowed by the liquor commission of the state of Arizona to purchase an alcoholic beverage distributorship.

You have the gall to describe what I'm doing as "republican bashing", yet you offer nothing about Joseph Kennedy's background or activities that rises to the level of substance...a conviction, and material from official minutes of a state regulatroy hearing, backed by later reporting in articles I provided from the Arizona Republic azcentral.com, or Hensley's felony convictions, fraudulant assertions to conceal his mob ties at the racing commission hearing, AND YOU NOT ONLY IGNORE MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW TO REACT TO McCAIN, because of all of this evidence, but you attempt to blur the issue by comparing JFK to McCain.

Can you not see that there is no comparison between McCain and JFK? The comparison would be between McCain's wife, Cindy Hensley, born into a family, just as JFK was. Being born into a family is an involutary act. Once you are a child in a family, and grow up loved and nurtured, you do not have the objectivity that McCain, 45 years old when he married, should have had in deciding how close company to keep with his mobbed up in-law?

Can you not see that difference? Cindy Hensley and JFK could not not be their father's child.....but McCain could have married Cindy, and not taken a no show, VP position in her father's company, then accepted his campaign financing, and accumulated as his own personal wealth, $50 to $100 million that came directly from profits of his in-law's business.

I was pleased to read your earlier posts on this forum, especially the candid one about your own personal tax filing info.... posting that took guts, it was real, I gained a new respect for you, but the comparisons you made in your last post, make no sense, and I don't see where you get the "reaking" part...at alll.

If you have some "dirt" on some wealthy Dems...and it ought to be more convincing than what I've posted about McCain's in-law, since even compelling evidence like I provided did nothing to sway you....I'll be happy to discuss it with you.

I am the author of the "Historians looking at Bush presidency may well wonder if Congress actually existed", thread, and I think what I've posted there indicates that I have the capacity to be very critical of democrats who fail to represent the larger interests of the American people.

Let's see what you've got, besides an unsupported emotionally charged reaction....

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Originally Posted by loquitur
We have laws against fraud. There are huge incentives for private plaintiffs to bring corporate fraud-doers to heel. Prosecutors (I'm thinking federal prosecutors, mainly, but some state and local as well) can make their reputations bringing down big shots, and do. (Google the name "Phil Bennett" as a recent example.) So the notion that there is massive undetected fraud and theft in all big companies and the majority of rich people is just lunacy.

<h3>Of course there are some bad rich people. There are bad people everywhere. That doesn't mean most wealth is garnered by fraud and theft, it simply means that there are some bad people out there.</h3> The fact is, for every bad name Host throws out, I can throw out two (or more) names of people who made their money honestly and are well-respected for it. I bet I could even do it sticking with the names of rich people who are liberal Democrats. (They probably can't match Host's lofty ethical standards, but I doubt anyone who ever fired an employee can.)

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