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Old 02-14-2008, 03:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Its an interesting way to look at it, though I can see it being more of a way for a 'progressive' to justify more government confiscation of someones property. After all if you only consume two times as much you don't need to make 5 times as much, at least in some of their logic.

The real issue as I see it is 'so what?'.

Outside of the handful of mega rich, the lifestyle of the wealthy is not a whole lot different than the middle class which isn't that much different from 'the poor'.

There are people, actors, elite athletes, CEO's who will make more in a year than I will my entire life. So what? Does their wealth hurt me, or anyone else?

As long as people are not unfairly being kept 'down' then it doesn't really matter what someone makes.

When I see people starving in the streets, dying of curable diseases because they are refused treatment due to poverty, when hopelessness is due to the system not allowing hard work to succeed, then let me know.
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Originally Posted by loquitur
Well, those two posts just now point to two different views of whether we should care about inequality. My additional question was which kinds of inequality we should care about, and why.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Inequality in potential, not inequality in wealth.

When you are unable to become successful due to the system, then you have created a permanent underclass which is obviously not a desirable outcome.

Interestingly while progressives want the fascist take over of the health care system by the government, I'd much rather see money spent on allowing intellectually qualified individuals be granted tuition for public colleges/universities. This is somewhat needed as so many highschools currently do not give you the skills you need to succeed.
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Originally Posted by loquitur
One economics blogger whom I read frequently had the following question: why do we care about economic inequality but we don't care about inequality of things like sports ability, physical attractiveness, or height. Each of those can seriously affect a person's sense of self and well-being. For instance, I was always the kid picked last when teams got chosen up. It wasn't fun at all. Jocks tend to attract the most attention. Why isn't that something people get incensed about? Basic athletic ability isn't earned, it's something you're born with. Isn't this an unfair inequality? Why do we tolerate it? Or physical appearance - that one really is unearned.
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Originally Posted by loquitur
the reason I'm raising these, roachboy, is because I want to try to get people to isolate what it is about inequality that bothers them (IF it bothers them). I thought that pointing to different kinds of unequal endowments would get people to articulate what is similar or different among the various kinds. Your post just restated a conclusion without analyzing.
Questions for loquitur and Ustwo:
The unsuccessful 1936 Republican party presidential candidate, Alf Landon, and the next successful Republican candidate, President Dwight Eisehower. made remarkably similar statements, 15 years apart, related to progressive measures taken by government in the mid 1930's in response to the collapse of US economic activity:

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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...760000,00.html
Monday, Jul. 18, 1938

Two nights before Franklin Roosevelt's eloquent appearance in the Midwest last week (see p. 7), the man whom he snowed under at the polls in 1936. Alf Landon of Kansas, stepped to a microphone in Council Bluffs, Iowa, to do what he could as a challenger. "I know I can't compete with Mr. Roosevelt as a radio artist," said Mr. Landon, but he tried:

"During the last election there were seventeen million people who voted against the present Administration. I think if you would take a poll of these seventeen million people you would find an overwhelming majority of them believe in collective bargaining . . . social security . . . unemployment insurance. They believe in relief—relief to the needy and unemployed, but not the financing of a vast political machine under the false label of relief. They believe in a better distribution of wealth created, in raising the standard of living, and a great many other social reforms. . . .

"America has decided these issues. Regardless of what party comes into power, they will have to be carried forward be cause the majority of our people want them. But they want them to work. . . .

"As long as we are resigned to crooked ness and waste in government, we will continue to have a wasteful government. As long as we depend upon intellectual trick ery instead of truth, we will continue to have crowd psychology and propaganda, instead of well-informed public opinion.

". . . Unless there is a change in the President's methods and policies we will be right back in another depression as soon as the Government spending splurge is over."....
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http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/pr...ments/1147.cfm
The Papers of Dwight David Eisenhower, Volume XV - The Presidency: The Middle Way
Document #1147; November 8, 1954
To Edgar Newton Eisenhower

....Now it is true that I believe this country is following a dangerous trend when it permits too great a degree of centralization of governmental functions. I oppose this--in some instances the fight is a rather desperate one. But to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything--even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon "moderation" in government. <H3>Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history.</h3> There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.5 Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

To say, therefore, that in some instances the policies of this Administration have not been radically changed from those of the last is perfectly true.6 Both Administrations levied taxes, both maintained military establishments, customs officials, and so on.

But in all governmental fields of action a combination of purpose, procedure and objectives must be considered if you are to get a true evaluation of the relative merits.....
<h3>It isn't well known, anymore, but in the mid 1930's, in response to the inequity in wealth and power distribution in the US, over the strenuous objection of business and wealthy interests, a temporary committee was formed to investigate power and wealth distribution in the US, with an emphasis on the effects of patents and monopolies. The committee, "TNEC" was only allowed to investigate for less than three years, and it issuded a number of reports, BUT, EVEN AFTER MORE THAN 66 YEARS TIME, MOST OF IT'S INVESTIGATIVE RECORDS ARE STILL SEALED...</h3>
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...ic%20Committee
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http://www.archives.gov/research/gui...roups/144.html
<h3>Records of the Temporary National Economic Committee [TNEC]</h3>

(Record Group 144)
1938-41
645 cu. ft.

Overview of Records Locations

Table of Contents
144.1 ADMINISTRATIVE HISTORY

144.2 RECORDS OF THE COMMITTEE 1938-41 967 lin. ft.

144.1 ADMINISTRATIVE HISTORY

Established: As a joint Congressional-Executive branch committee, composed of members of both houses of Congress and representatives of several Executive departments and commissions, by joint resolution of Congress, June 16, 1938 (52 Stat. 705). Functions: Studied monopoly and concentration of economic power, and made recommendations for legislation.

Abolished: April 3, 1941, by expiration of extension granted by joint resolution, December 16, 1940 (54 Stat. 1225). Liquidation deadline of December 31, 1941, set by Additional Urgent Deficiency Appropriation Act of 1941, May 24, 1941 (55 Stat. 200).

....Specific Restrictions: <h3>As specified by the SEC, no one, except government officials for official purposes, may have access to records created and filed by the SEC on behalf of the TNEC</h3>, except for the following: certain records relating to the insurance study, consisting of replies to formal questionnaires....

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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...759590,00.html
Anti-Monopoly
Monday, May. 09, 1938

Last year Harold L. Ickes and Robert Houghwout Jackson handed U. S. Business the Administration's Christmas greetings in the form of a pair of diatribes about "economic oligarchy" and "the 60 families." Implication was that they would be followed by a similarly vehement message from the President to Congress, suggesting revision of U. S. anti-trust laws. Anxiously awaited by Business ever since, the business monopoly message from the nation's greatest governmental monopolist finally appeared last week. A detailed request for Congressional investigation of the whole subject of monopoly as a preliminary to future legislation to curtail it, it was chiefly noteworthy for a tone as mild as Messrs. Ickes & Jackson had been bitter.

Simple Truths. Read to Congress the day after Governor La Follette's launching of a new party in Madison, Wis. (see p. 12), the President's message opened with some strikingly similar themes:

"Unhappy events abroad have retaught us two simple truths about the liberty of a democratic people. The first truth is that the <h3>liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is fascism—ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any other controlling private power.

"The second truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if its business system does not provide employment and produce and distribute goods in such a way as to sustain an acceptable standard of living. Both lessons hit home. Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing."</h3>

Statistics. To prove his point that current concentration of economic power is unexampled, the President quoted familiar statistics from reports to the Bureau of Internal Revenue: 1) .1% of U. S. corporations own 52% of all corporate assets, get 50% of all corporate income, less than 5% of U. S. corporations own 87% of the assets and less than 4% of manufacturing corporations get 84% of their net profits; 2) even in 1929 .3% of the population got 78% of the dividends and 3) in 1936, 33% of all inheritances went to 4% of all heirs. Taking this as premise No. 1, the President proposed as premise No. 2 that the concentration was due to monopolistic trends in U. S. business. His conclusion was that "a thorough study of the concentration of economic power in American industry and the effect of that concentration upon the decline of competition" should be undertaken by the Federal Trade Commission, Department of Justice and Securities & Exchange Commission, for whom he recommended appropriating $500,000. In addition, the President requested $200,000 more to enable the Department of Justice—whose Assistant Attorney General Thurman Arnold (The Folklore of Capitalism) was last week telling a New York audience about his plan to publicize antimonopoly prosecutions—to enforce existing anti-trust laws.....
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...764913,00.html
Thirteen Families
Monday, Oct. 28, 1940

....He wrote an erudite bombshell of questionable accuracy titled America's 60 Families, watched his subjects squirm while Secretary Ickes and then Assistant Attorney General Jackson quoted it with gusto. Within less than a year the families were sprawled under more powerful microscopes as the Temporary National Economic Committee made a study of corporate practices and controls.

Last week the Securities and Exchange Commission published its report to null a 121-page study of "The Distribution of Ownership in the 200 Largest Non-Financial* Corporations." Based on 1937 figures, it whittled the Lundberg roster to 13 families, was considerably less personal than his census of Du Pont bathrooms, considerably more dogged in tracking down actual shareholdings (Lundberg had estimated fortunes by 1924 tax returns). <h3>It found:

» Of an estimated 8,500,000 U. S. stockholders, less than 75,000 (.06% of the population) own fully one-half of all corporate stock held by individuals. The majority of the voting power in the average large corporation is in the hands of not much over 1% of the shareholders.</h3> But some of the biggest and best-known corporations are exceptions (i.e., widely held, without visible centralized control): A. T. & T., Anaconda, Bethlehem Steel, Eastman Kodak, General Electric, Goodyear, R. C. A., U. S. Steel, Pennsylvania Railroad, etc.....


....» The 13 most potent family groups' holdings were worth $2,700,000,000, comprised over 8% of the stock of the 200 corporations: Fords, $624,975,000; Du Fonts, $573,690,000; Rockefellers, $396,583,000; Mellons, $390,943,000; McCormicks (International Harvester), $111,102,000; Hartfords (A. & P.), $105,702,000; Harknesses (Standard Oil), $104,891,000; Dukes (tobacco, power), $89,459,000; Pews (Sun Oil), $75,628,000; Pitcairns (Pittsburgh Plate Glass), $65,576,000; Clarks (Singer), $57,215,000; Reynolds (tobacco), $54,766,000; Kresses (S. H. Kress), $50,044,000.

» Three groups—Du Fonts, Mellons, Rockefellers—have shareholdings valued at nearly $1,400,000,000, control, directly or indirectly, 15 of the 200 corporations....

*Excluded: banks, trust companies, insurance companies, investment houses.
<h3>My questions so far, are, what has changed, besides the reaction to wealth inequity of the 1930's? Can you make a case that it is distributed more equitably in the US today, than it was 70 years ago?</h3> When did the republican POV change? Where did the impetus come from to propose privatization of social security, for example? Isn't SS, with it's $186 billion per year, <a href="http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OACT/ProgData/fyOps.html">current surplus</a>, not "the problem"? Isn't "the problem" actually the tax cuts, and increased defense, intelligence operations, and DHS spending since 2001?

Isn't it fair, since "the people" demanded and paid for the TNEC investigations and reports on the distribution of power and wealth in the US, and the effect of monopolies, that, after nearly 67 years, all of the records gathered by the TNEC committee that do no involve personal, non-financial details, be unsealed and made available for public examination, especially considering that 1940 census data will be released to the public , two years from now?

If inequity in wealth and power in the US is "not a problem", why would anyone argue for continuing to keep sealed, the records of the only in depth, congressional committee investigation, of the "non problem"?

I can think of no better example than the following, to answer Ustwo's question:
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
...Does their wealth hurt me, or anyone else?....
I think, Ustwo, that the impact is about "opportunity cost" to the rest of, and the flow of power and wealth away from most of us, because opportunity is "preempted" by the "juice" of the connections that the concentration of wealth, attracts. Officials and their power and influence, is bought, siphoned off, and upcoming politicians, are "bred" similar to race horses.

In the 1920s, 30s, and 40s, a group of friends kept a close association, and conducted related business activities. The elder man in the group, ten to fifteen years senior to the others, managed to obtain the franchise, granted by the state government regulators, after the end of prohibition in 1933, to distribute liquor in Arizona, and eventually grew his business to a level that excluded all competition. If you operated a retail or an entertainment establishment in Arizona that sold liquor to the public, you had to buy from United Liquor.

This same elder gentleman of this group, came to deal with the investors and principles who conceived of and built the initial modern casino hotels in Las Vegas. It is documented in a New Mexico state police investigation that the owner of Arizona's United Liquor distributors came to own the Transamerica race-wire, the sports betting, bookmaker's information service that originated with Al Capone's Chicago crime organization, and he was a principle in an <a href="http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:7T3uAEHe4yIJ:www.nevadaobserver.com/Reading%2520Room%2520Documents/Kefauver%2520Committee%2520-%2520Testimony%2520of%2520Louis%2520Wiener%2520(1950).htm+%22valley+national+bank%22+flamingo+siegel&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us">Arizona bank that loaned $2 million to the Mafia</a> principles who built the Flamingo Hotel in Las Vegas in 1947....
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http://www.nps.gov/history/history/o.../hrs/chap9.htm
Chapter 9
Rio Rico and the Great Arizona Land Rush

...Two years later, Manning sold much of his deeded land to liquor wholesaler Kemper Marley, who was later implicated in the bombing murder of reporter Don Bolles. With the sale went most of the federal and State Trust Land grazing leases as well. The greatest ranch in southern Arizona shrank from 500,000 to 20,000 acres (Hadley 2000)......
Read the rest of the nps.gov history article to see how another mob connected figure and builder of the Flamingo Hotel, Del Webb, benefited from the growth in Phoenix brought in large, part, by the government construction of the US interstate highwy network.

In 1946, two of the younger members of the group of friends described above, a pair of brothers, were employed as managers at United Liquor by Kemper Marley, and were arrested on federal liquor bootlegging violations, accused in testimony by another United Liquor manager, of altering nearly 1400 invoices of case sales of liquor, sold in cash transactions to unknown parties. Owner Marley was not charged, and James Hensley was found guilty and sentenced to 6 months in prison, suspended, while his older brother Eugene was convicted and served a one year prison sentence. Both brothers, along with 50 other United Liquor employees and the firm itslef, were tried on similar charges again in 1953, but were not convicted. Owner Marley was never charged.

The two Hensley brothers, also in 1953, purchased the Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico horse racing track, lying to the racing commission about the participation of a 1/3 owner's stake partner in the purchase, a gambler not approved by the NM racing commission, named Clarence "Teak" Baldwin. James Hensley sold his stake in the track to brother Eugene in 1955, and became the owner of record of the Budweiser beer distributorship in Phoenix, allegedly thorough the aid of United Liquor owner Marley. In 1948, a man named Greenbaum who was a partner in the race-wire with Marley, was murdered in a gangland style "hit". Eugene Hensley entered into a long term food and beverage concession lease at Ruidoso downs with an Emprise Company of Buffalo, NY subsidiary. Eugene served a one year income tax evasion prison sentence in the 195os and was banned from his track by the NM Racing Commission, after he was convicted a second time of tax evasion, but before he served a five year prison sentence for the second offense. Eugene, in the late 1960s and still as principle stock holder of the race track, sold the track to a group financed by the still long term track concession leasee, the Jacob's company, Emprise subsidiary:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...gewanted=print

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http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,911808,00.html
Monday, Jun. 28, 1976
'They Finally Got Me'

As gangland executions go, it was ordinary enough. A dynamite bomb attached by magnets to the bottom of a car. The driver brutally maimed after the electronic triggering mechanism was set off by remote control. The hit man far from the scene. But the locale was not Chicago's West Side and the victim was not a wayward mobster. He was Investigative Reporter Donald F. Bolles, 47, and his death in Phoenix last week of injuries from the bomb underscored the viciousness and power of organized crime in Arizona in a way nothing he wrote ever could have.

For eleven days and through half a dozen operations, during which both legs and his right arm were amputated, Bolles had fought for his life. His last whispered words−"Mafia ... Emprise ...

They finally got me... John Adamson, find him"−had resulted in the arrest of Adamson. More significantly, they had ensured the first major statewide investigation of the corruption that has enriched home-grown and imported conmen, including Mafiosi, while bilking land buyers of more than $500 million since the mid-1960s.

Gunned Down. Ever since Phoenix's emergence from a parched cow town in the early 1940s to a steamy Southwestern metropolis in the '50s and '60s, criminal elements have flocked to the desert country and flourished. Land fraud has proved the most profitable enterprise, but racketeers have also gained control of restaurants and other fronts for illegal activities.

Besides Bolles, twelve persons associated with some of the land fraud scandals have died over the past six years, all before they could testify. Five died in two separate plane crashes, one drove off a cliff, another succumbed to carbon monoxide poisoning in his automobile. Three suffered fatal heart attacks and another died of cancer. One was gunned down 24 hours before he was to testify in a grand jury investigation.....

....Bolles, an Easterner hired by the Arizona Republic, sensed that organized crime flourished in collusion with public officials. In 1965 he was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize for detailing bribery within the Arizona State Tax and Corporation Commissions. Two years later, he exposed a gigantic land fraud scheme involving Western Growth Capital Corp. Later stories resulted in the prosecution of Ned Warren Sr., a major figure in that corporation and an ex-con. In 1975, Warren escaped prosecution in a land fraud case after the chief prosecution witness was slain.

<h3>Undaunted, Bolles also attacked Emprise Corp., a notorious sports enterprise controlled by Buffalo, N.Y.. interests that had gained control of Arizona horse and dog racing tracks. He became so expert on the intricacies of Emprise operations in Arizona that in 1972 he became a witness before the Select Committee on Crime of the U.S. House of Representatives.</h3>

The presence of such mobsters as Joe Bonnano Sr. and Peter Licavoli in Tucson reinforced Bolles' impression of how hospitable Arizona had become to organized crime. His exposes made big journalistic splashes, but resulted in few indictments and even fewer attempts to curb organized crime. At length Bolles wearied of what he came to regard as windmill tilting and asked to be taken off the crime beat. But he could not stay away. When Adamson, a disreputable greyhound breeder and former tow truck operator, telephoned him three weeks ago with information purporting to link top Arizona Republicans to land fraud schemes, Bolles rushed off to meet him at a Phoenix hotel. While he waited, someone apparently placed the explosive charge in his car, parked in the hotel lot. Adamson failed to appear, and Bolles soon after stepped into his white 1976 four-door Datsun−and the trap that had been laid for him.

Whoever plotted it. the senseless killing seemed certain to boomerang. Arizona Attorney General Bruce Babbitt quickly took charge of the investigation, brushing aside the bumbling Maricopa County prosecutor, Moise Berger. Both houses of the state legislature swiftly approved legislation to break up the Arizona dog racing monopoly, controlled in part by Emprise. A special prosecution fund providing $100,000 to investigate Bolles' murder is assured of speedy approval by the legislature. The Arizona Republic vowed to intensify its crusade against "the slimy hand of the gangster and the pitiless atrocities of the terrorist."

Investigators were inclined to doubt that the Mafia had ordered Bolles' assassination. Said a Department of Justice expert on organized crime: "The gangsters are smart enough to know that getting rid of a reporter only causes more trouble than the reporter could stir up in the first place." Arizona authorities finger home-grown mobsters as more likely to commit such an act. They suggest that, despite his apparent loss of interest, Bolles may have been close to linking some big names to illegal schemes. Phoenix Police Lieutenant Jack Bentley told TIME Correspondent William F. Marmon Jr.: "Bolles had reams of stuff in his files that was very damaging but never printed. We have volumes of information leading to influential people, but people insulated to the nth degree. It is really hard to tell who the enemy is at this point."

Broad Front. According to newsmen Bolles talked to after receiving Adamson's call, Adamson told Bolles that he could link Senator Barry Goldwater and Representative Sam Steiger to land fraud schemes. But there is no credible evidence involving either. Authorities believe that the names were used only as bait to entice Bolles. Of considerable interest to investigators is the role of Neal Roberts, a Phoenix attorney and an associate of both Adamson and Ned Warren, the so-called "Godfather" of Arizona land fraud schemes. Roberts quickly stepped forth with an alibi for Adamson, claiming that the two were together in Roberts' office moments before the explosion that maimed Bolles. Roberts' attorney, John Flynn, concedes that "the circumstances could cause one to wonder what the hell is going on."

At week's end Arizona officialdom at last seemed determined to move on a broad front. More than 900 people, including the Governor, the attorney general, 80 legislators and top business and community leaders signaled their outrage by crowding into the Church of the Beatitudes of the United Church of Christ for Bolles' funeral services. Observed one high-ranking Arizona official: "You cannot have the sort of systematic fraud and swindling that we have without the complicity of some top business and political figures."

That is the message Don Bolles had been trying to convey for several years.
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Kemper Marley Sr. Is Dead at 83; Name Arose in '76 Slaying Inquiry ...LEAD: Kemper Marley Sr., a millionaire Arizona rancher and liquor distributor ... In 1976 Don Bolles, an investigative reporter for The Arizona Republic who ...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...55C0A966958260


http://search.phoenixnewtimes.com/19...is-maker/print
...THE MAGNATE MEETS HIS MAKER
Continued from page 1
Published: July 4, 1990

A few years back, it was revealed that Marley owned twelve square miles of land near the McDowell Mountains. The land was valued at $112 million and Marley paid only $660 a year in taxes on it. At the time of his death, Maricopa County was still fighting to collect millions from Marley in back taxes.

Marley fought to get the Bolles killing behind him....

....The funeral cortege moved away. Goldwater, all alone, stopped to talk with some people on the sidewalk. Then he limped to his car.

It was over.
<h3>I remembered something Marley's friend Doherty said in his eulogy.
"Kemper loved his country. He supported candidates with his time and money. He wanted to preserve the free-enterprise system."

Don't they all? </h3>
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http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...lgado1230.html
CEO leads company in tradition of giving back
Beer distributor's CEO continues long tradition
Cathryn Creno
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 30, 2007 07:52 PM


...Cindy McCain became Hensley's chairwoman in 2000.

In 1955, James Hensley opened his business with 15 workers in a small brick building downtown. The company sold 73,000 cases of Anheuser-Busch beer and held a 6 percent market share during its first year of business. Today, it counts more than 650 employees, sells nearly 23 million cases annually and racks up annual sales of about $340 million with about a 60 percent market share....
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all
THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE ARIZONA TIES; A Beer Baron and a Powerful Publisher Put McCain on a Political Path

By DOUGLAS FRANTZ
Published: February 21, 2000
When Senator John McCain of Arizona describes the people who shaped his life, he invariably dwells on the influence of his father and grandfather, both distinguished Navy admirals and larger-than-life figures. Less widely known are the roles played by two other powerful men in launching his political career.

Mr. McCain's father-in-law, a wealthy beer baron named James W. Hensley, gave Mr. McCain his first job out of the Navy and helped bankroll his crucial first race for Congress in 1982, enabling Mr. McCain, a political newcomer, to outspend and defeat better-known opponents.

Even today, Mr. McCain's position as one of the wealthiest members of Congress is derived from his wife's share of her family's Anheuser-Busch beer distributorship here and extensive real estate investments through the company, holdings worth more than $10 million.

In his rise to political influence, Mr. McCain, who had no ties to Arizona until he married Cindy Hensley and moved here in 1981, also won the critical blessing of the city's business establishment through his close friendship with another of the state's power brokers, Darrow Tully, the publisher then of the state's dominant newspaper, The Arizona Republic. ''Duke'' Tully led an ad hoc group of business executives and self-appointed political kingmakers known as the Phoenix 40, whose backing helped Mr. McCain in that first Congressional race and assured his Senate victory four years later.....

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1993-...to-reruns/full
THE BOLLES TRIAL GOES INTO RERUNS
By Tom Fitzpatrick
Published: February 10, 1993

...Marley was the most powerful man in Arizona for a half-century. He was tough, generous, a contributor to charitable causes, and a tax dodger. At his death, he left millions to the University of Arizona so a building for the school of agriculture could be named in his honor. To their eternal disgrace, UofA officials accepted the money. <h3>If you did Marley a favor, he was likely to turn around and make you a millionaire. If, in the words of Don Corleone, you "did him a disservice," you might get blown to bits. Marley did a favor for Senator John McCain's father-in-law, Jim Hensley, back in 1948. Hensley had done him a great service.

Hensley took a fall in a liquor-violation case for Marley which resulted in a one-year jail term. When Hensley was ready to return to work, Marley gave him the Budweiser distributorship in Phoenix. He is now one of the richest men in the state.</h3>

Hensley had a pretty good lawyer in that case, too. His name was William Rehnquist, and he is now Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

The roots of the Bolles case go deeper than anyone wants to remember.
I went down to Tucson to see John Harvey Adamson sentenced to death for Bolles' murder.

The jury stayed out for a long time. No one could understand why. It seemed such a clear-cut case.

Later, one of the jurors had an astonishing explanation.
"Only one juror held out for an acquittal," he said. "He somehow got it into his head that Don Bolles had tried to frame Adamson for the murder in a move that reached beyond the grave."
"What do you mean?" I asked.
"Do you remember that Bolles' last words at the bombing were that it was the work of three factions, 'Mafia, Emprise and John Harvey Adamson'?"
This single juror somehow got it into his head that Bolles had mentioned Adamson's name only to get revenge upon him.......


http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2000-...regulator/full
See Ya Later, Regulator
By
Published: February 17, 2000

Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control could charitably be described as lax when it comes to enforcing state liquor laws. Despite repeated violations of state laws -- particularly selling beer to unlicensed businesses -- the department has levied only one fine against Hensley & Company in the past 30 years....

...1988

March 12 -- Hensley & Company applied for a new liquor license related to the change in a business location. On the sworn and notarized statement, James Hensley fails to disclose 1949 federal criminal conviction for falsifying liquor records....
Well, you get the idea....or not. My last and most important question for you guys is why does your concern seem to be for the exact opposite of what you truly should be concerned about?:
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http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1992-...-war-hero/full
FOR SALE: ONE WAR HERO
By Tom Fitzpatrick
Published: October 28, 1992

....Moving to Arizona was a financial bonanza for you, too. It made it possible for you to marry again. This time you married an heiress. Your new wife's father was Jim Hensley, who owned a beer-distributing company that had a monopoly on peddling Budweiser.

This single act of matrimony transformed you overnight into one of the many millionaire members of Congress.

It changed you forever. <h2>Millionaires think differently about money than people mired in middle incomes. Millionaires think about preserving their advantage for themselves and their class. You suddenly became concerned about whether poor people had a work ethic. You worried if they were willing to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.</h2> You're John McCain, who wonders why men carrying signs saying they will work for food aren't energetic enough to marry a beer baron's daughter.....
Why is it that you are so concerned, especially you, Ustwo, about the "unwashed masses", lazy louts who want to use "government", to take "your money"? Why do you think that they are the motherfuckers, when the REAL motherfuckers are the men who use whatever it takes to gain a monopoly on the power and wealth in the country? The fruits of the organized crime enterprise originated by Kemper Marley has financed and influenced the placement of John McCain, literally at the front door of the white house, but you have little reaction, and no concern, at all.

For both of you, have you ever considered, what if I am right? What if roachboy is right? What if, all of your lives, you have been concerned about the exact oppostite political activities and principles than those that are actually "the problem"?

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