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Post #38
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...88#post2398588
indicates that Ustwo is not interested or capable of a discussion on the subject of felons losing their voting rights. Below is another "sampel" of the writing of the author, Edward Feser, of Ustwo's lengthy article included in post #38.....supposedly to support Ustwo's objection to parolee voting:
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Rather than spend more time on this I'll go hostal and give you an article in its entirety which sums up a lot of my feelings on the subject. It took me 10 seconds to goggle it of course.
Edit: Hehe found a nice line for my sig there too.
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http://web.archive.org/web/200402110...m/010804A.html
<h3>The Mustache on the Left
By Edward Feser Published 01/08/2004 </h3>
<img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20040211075603/http://www.techcentralstation.com/images/010804A_large.jpg">
As a Bush re-election later this year looks increasingly likely, some left-wingers worry that Howard Dean is too risky a candidate to put up against a popular President. There is, of course, the obvious comparison to McGovern and the fear that a true believer may inevitably be a sure loser. There is also the worry that Dean may not in fact be so true a believer in the first place: he did support Newt Gingrich's Medicare reforms, after all, and has been a little too cozy with gun rights advocates; might he not betray the Left in order to appeal to Middle America? Is the prospect of another Clinton the price to pay for avoiding another McGovern?
A solution for the Leftist might lie in turning one's historical eye back before either Clinton or McGovern, to find a model who was both genuinely radical and a solid electoral success. Then the task will be to find a modern politician who fits this paradigm as closely as possible. Who might serve as such a model?.....
......One example stands out. Who was he?
He had been something of a bohemian in his youth, and always regarded young people and their idealism as the key to progress and the overcoming of outmoded prejudices. And he was widely admired by the young people of his country, many of whom belonged to organizations devoted to practicing and propagating his teachings. He had a lifelong passion for music, art, and architecture, and was even something of a painter. He rejected what he regarded as petty bourgeois moral hang-ups, and he and his girlfriend "lived together" for years. He counted a number of homosexuals as friends and collaborators, and took the view that a man's personal morals were none of his business; some scholars of his life believe that he himself may have been homosexual or bisexual. He was ahead of his time
.<h3>...Who was he? He certainly sounds like the ideal presidential candidate of a Pacifica Radio Network listener or Mother Jones subscriber -- or, to make a more timely reference, a contributor to MoveOn.org.</h3> It can only add to his appeal for such people that he was a target of American and British bombing raids and had to flee to the safety of an underground hide-out. And he was none other than Time magazine's Man of the Year for 1938: Adolf Hitler.
Surprise!
OK, it was a cheap trick; but I trust I didn't get anyone's hopes up too much. That der Fuhrer's biography has as much of a resemblance as it does to that of the typical granola-munching whale-saver is a fact of no small import, however. We'll return to that resemblance presently....
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I don't think I have read an article as offensive and partisan as Feser's, have you?
....This is what the controversy is really about. Bush, with no official recount permitted by the US Supreme Court to be completed in 2000, was leading Gore by about 500 votes. Bush's brother Jeb and Florida Secretary of State, a woman who simulataneously served as Bush/Cheney 2000 campaign chairperson, spent $4.3 million dollars to subcontract a voter purge list of 7purported felons, disqualifying 57,700 from the voting registries, and many did not discover this until they attempted to vote.
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http://web.archive.org/web/200308050...a/d923085a.htm
State contracts with company founded by man linked to smuggling
Sunday, August 3, 2003
Associated Press
<h3>....Asher's first company, DBT Online Inc</h3>., bought him out for $147 million in 1999 after the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration suspended its contracts over Asher's past and concerns that the company could potentially monitor targets of investigations. ......
http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2002...felon-follies/
....Felon Follies
A problem that marred the 2000 ballot is back
By Ted B. Kissell
Published: October 31, 2002
One of the most intriguing mysteries of the whole Election 2000 debacle is this: How many Florida voters improperly lost their voting rights because of a statewide effort to scrub felons from voter rolls? This question was at the heart of a post-election lawsuit filed against the Department of State and others. The lead plaintiff, the NAACP, brought the class-action suit because more than half of those on the scrub list were black.
The good news is, all of those lawsuits are now settled. <h3>The private company contracted to perform the purge, Atlanta-based ChoicePoint (which in 2001 merged with the original contractor, West Palm Beach's Database Technologies, or DBT)</h3> has agreed to more closely scrutinize the names on the lists it sent out before November 2000 and identify those voters who should never have been removed in the first place. The supervisors of elections who wrongfully removed these voters from the rolls will then reinstate them.
The bad news? This unknown number of nonfelons (dozens? hundreds? thousands?) won't be back on the rolls in time to vote Tuesday. Some of them might already have been reinstated, and those who show up at the polls can cast a provisional ballot. But the original wrong -- the improper removal of their franchise -- has yet to be righted.
The NAACP brought the suit in January 2001 in federal court in Miami, alleging not only that the voter purge lists were flawed but that other violations of the federal Voting Rights Act had occurred in November 2000. The defendants were then-Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, DBT/ChoicePoint, and the supervisors of elections from seven counties, including Broward and Miami-Dade. Leon County settled first, in April 2002. Then came Broward in May, DBT/ChoicePoint in July, and Duval, Miami-Dade, and Volusia in August. The others settled the first week of September, on the eve of trial.
"The state was holding up the rear," rues Thomasina Williams, a Miami attorney who worked as co-counsel with the coalition of civil rights groups representing the plaintiffs in the NAACP case.
Was the Jeb Bush administration dragging its feet? "I'm reluctant to use the word delay," says attorney Elliott Mincberg of People for the American Way, one of the groups representing the plaintiffs. "Let's just say they litigated the case very aggressively, and there's no question that was a factor that stretched out the process."
<h3>Though the job won't be done until spring 2003, a second run through the original purge lists has arrived at a stunning conclusion. On July 29, ChoicePoint filtered its list of 94,282 potential or possible felons through more exacting criteria, including complete Social Security numbers. The number of possible felon matches: a mere 2,563. </h3>
This number is shockingly low. Was the list that DBT sent to the state actually 97 percent inaccurate? Probably not: The State of Florida does not routinely ask for Social Security numbers as part of the voter registration process. Still, Mincberg says his clients' expert was prepared to testify at trial that 70,000 of those 94,000 names were inaccurate -- roughly a 74 percent rate of "false positives."
Mincberg is generally pleased with the settlement terms, but he has reservations. "With respect to those who were improperly purged, that's not going to happen [in time for the 2002 election]," he says. He points out that the agreements, like all changes to election procedures in Florida, will have to be "pre-cleared" by the U.S. Justice Department before they are implemented. According to the Florida Attorney General's Office, the part of the settlement agreement that pertains to the felon lists was submitted September 26. As of press time, the Justice Department had not approved the agreements.
Florida is one of eight states that denies people convicted of felonies the right to vote and is the only state to include this denial in its constitution. This prohibition has had a clearly discriminatory effect: 27 percent of black men in Florida cannot vote.
A felon can ask the state to restore his or her voting rights. Not so long ago, the clemency process was almost automatic. In 1986, under Democratic Gov. Bob Graham, some 15,000 felons had their voting rights reinstated. In 2000, the last year for which figures are available, that number was 927. According to the Florida Parole Commission, there is a current backlog of some 26,500 applications for restoration....
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<h3>So they used a phoney felon purge list in Florida in 2000 to steal the US presidential election, and if you read on, you can see that Paul Weyrich advocated doing this, all the way back in 1981:</h3>
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2
...The council was founded in 1981, just as the modern conservative movement began its ascendance. The Rev. Tim LaHaye, an early Christian conservative organizer and the best-selling author of the ''Left Behind'' novels about an apocalyptic Second Coming, was a founder. His partners <h3>included Paul Weyrich, another Christian conservative political organizer who also helped found the Heritage Foundation. ....</h3>
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/riding...05/11/289.html
CBC - Canada Votes 2006 - Riding Talk
... Leader Stephen Harper delivered a speech in Montreal to a secret ultra-right-wing
American think tank, the Council for National Policy (CNP), in which he ...
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So, what this is "all about", can be found at the first few links in the goolge searh results, here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ge&btnG=Search
...it's about voter "caging"....preventing people from voting, and the national Republican party agreed in court, in a cease and desist order in the 1980's, to stop doing it, but they never did......
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