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Old 02-09-2008, 04:04 PM   #10 (permalink)
Tully Mars
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Romney lost because he showed a typical republican disconnect concerning the widening wealth gap. "Tax cuts for the rich" are increasingly viewed as a policy that is not beneficial to what remains of the middle class, The government has given back $100's of billions in tax cuts and ramped up borrowing from $18 billion in 2000, to $718 billion this year, yet the economy has somehow stalled? How could this be, with the literal creation of these hundreds of billions? McCain isn't dead yet because he is still perceived, because of his flip flopping, to have been against tax cuts for the rich, but he is for them.....
I completely disagree with this statement. If it were the general and his numbers were still good I could see this logic. But given this is the primaries I'd say he's still alive despite being seen as opposed to the tax cuts. Of the many, many complaints I've heard and read from the right wing talking heads the fact he didn't jump up and down with joy at at least some of Bush's wealth favored, lopsided cuts is probably the most oft mentioned. Well that and his position that deporting several million people simply isn't a reasonable solution to a complex issue.



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You must hate Hillary a whole bunch:
Hating people isn't really my thing. I find it odd that you would conclude that my willingness to vote for one candidate over another translates to hatred.

I take my vote seriously and make every attempt to vote for the candidate that I personally believe would benefit the country the most. I tend to disregard the little "D" or "R" when I vote. I've never been registered with either party, alway "independent." And unlike Bill O'Reilly- Al Franken's not going to be able to find a registration card that proves me a liar.

I don't agree with McCain on many issues. But I do on several other issues. For example I agree with him regarding torture. I don't think we should be engaged in torture either. He seems to have a pragmatic view of immigration and was willing to go against the GOP, right wing tide on the issue. His views on pork barrel spending are appealing to me. And the fact that he did not favor the Bush tax cuts without cutting spending also appealed to me.

At the same time I do not agree with many, many statements he's made regarding the war. For example his position that the current version of whack a mole that is the "surge" is a glowing success. I do not see how the military will be able to sustain the level of troop involvement on a long term basis, eventually even stop loss is going to be unable to provide the troops needed to maintain security at the level currently slowing the violence. I also don't see any of the political gains being made by the Iraqis that are needed to allow the troop level to be reduced. Basically I think it's a house of cards and while it's currently standing- it's leaning hard and will undoubtedly crumble, likely sooner rather then later. But I do think if he'd been listened to by the current POTUS we wouldn't be in the complete cluster fuck that we currently find ourselves.


All that said, given the option of either Hillary or John I'd toss my pebble into Johns bucket.

Does that mean I hate Hillary? Absolutely not. I could go through several points where I disagree with her positions as well as several where I agree with her, completely and whole heartedly. But it really comes down to, for me, I simply don't see her as being genuine and honest all too often. She, unlike McCain IMO, tends to swift her position based on what the polls and her base want it to be.
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