First of all Shauk, I apologise if I came across as making it personal. When I asked if you were trolling, it was out of incredulity rather than to provoke you. This discussion is interesting to me because it sheds a lot of light on what I see as increasingly common behaviour.
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Originally Posted by Shauk
comparing written laws to public etiquette is a good way to have your argument tossed out the door. Personally, I don't care either way as to what people do in libraries. I use the internet to research what I need to research.
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I concede that there are no laws regarding being quiet in a library - but I'm sure at some point there were no laws regarding smoking, shitting in public etc (possibly in part because the effects of smoking were not yet known). There are still no laws about farting in an enclosed space, but it's not cool to do so in a small restaurant for example! Surely even back then, the code of etiquette would have meant that people understood that it was still not socially acceptable behaviour?
Seems a little crazy that we should have to have laws for everything - I would have hoped that people are considerate enough to not need them.
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I know talking in a library doesn't kill others, but it is likely to disrupt their focus. I'm really not sure why this isn't an acceptable reason... should something have to kill you before it is regarded as inappropriate?
Library etiquette:
http://media.www.studlife.com/media/...-1881920.shtml
http://www.csudh.edu/dearhabermas/library01.htm
http://www.lawsociety.sk.ca/newlook/.../etiquette.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/pda/A934887?s_id=3
And yes, I know, I know, it's etiquette and not law... but it is some effort at documentation.
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Originally Posted by Shauk
You tell me who's trolling after your sorry attempts to compare written law to unwritten ceremony. Way to focus on that line when just prior I said the oh so flattering "the self righteous motormouth with a cell phone"
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See above regarding my trolling comment.
For the record, I do think someone speaking on a cell phone in a library is inconsiderate and unreasonable, and that a person who can't focus in a library due to aforementioned motormouth normal. Maybe that makes me weak-willed and unable to concentrate due to silence, but that might be why I go to a library!
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Originally Posted by Shauk
I don't invest a care into the outcome of this argument either way, my opinions will change no minds, turn no heads, and really, this thread would have been dead 2 pages ago had there been no devil's advocate such as myself to go and challenge the "norm" of acceptable behavior.
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Agreed.
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Her outburst was far more disruptive than a phone conversation, throwing shit that belongs to other people?
I mean seriously, 90% of the people in this thread are justifying this outburst because this girl was being "rude"
There are far more civil ways to get your point across.
No offense to the OP, I just don't see why you couldn't notify a library employee if it was bothering you that much and if there were signs in place.
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Do I understand why she did it? Yes. Was it a little heavy-handed? Sure. Perhaps there was a more tactful way to handle it, but I appreciate why she reacted that way. I don't think road rage is appropriate either, but I can understand why it happens when people drive inconsiderately (and yes, I know, law vs etiquette).
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Originally Posted by Shauk
again, libraries by definition are no more than a repository of books in a public building. Rules vary depending on management.
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I think it's reasonable to assume that if there are tables with chairs there, it is more than simply a repository of books. I won't rehash comments about library etiquette.
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Originally Posted by Shauk
It's an unwritten rule to tip, but people don't always tip. Same category in my mind. It's an optional etiquette ceremony.
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This is true - but we established in the other thread that people who don't tip are either ignorant of the realities of tipping, or aware but either cheap or disagree on how to handle tipping.
Also I think the issue of tipping your waiter is closer to an issue of how you treat the librarian - at the end of the day whether you tip your waiter or not doesn't affect other diners so much. For humourous value as much as anything else, I'll draw the parallel with farting in the restaurant. It might be fun for the farter, but it's not fair on the other people who would prefer to be able to enjoy their meal without it. Doesn't make them over-sensitive.
I suppose we simply disagree on whether libraries should be quiet or not.