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Originally Posted by willravel
good to see you (in a manner of speaking), roachboy. in honor of your triumphant return, i am not using caps for this post.
i think the concern here is over hillary being unapologetic regarding her war vote. here's something nutty that everyone seems to be forgetting: they both vote for the patriot act. this is the main reason i was supporting kucinich until he dropped out, and quite frankly it's why i'm not head over heels for obama. neither has apologized.
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Agreed, and neither are my ideal candidate either. As you may remember Will, I was the massive Kucinich pusher on this forum back in '04. I have loads of respect for the man, but ultimately the election is about politics which is why I didn't donate or work for him this time around.
Ultimately, we aren't going to get an apology from either of them. I doubt it would mean much to me if I did anyway. I'd rather have whoever gets the job apologize through actions rather than words anyway and I do believe both candidates would do that. This is what I was talking about, moving in the right direction. They've both changed positions, hedged, etc., and really that's okay. What matters is if we can trust they will do what they say they will do now. I put that trust in both of them, honestly, and just prefer what Hillary says she will do on a policy level.
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Originally Posted by willravel
I have no problem insulting them, but it doesn't make me any less right. I worked on the campaigns of Barbara Boxer, Dianne Fienstein, Chuck Reed, and numerous others.
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Look if you honestly think you have more political experience than Hillary or Barak you're superiority complex will have to be addressed by a professional psychologist and not me. Some of the campaigns I've worked on include Bob Kerry, Ben Nelson, Chuck Hagel, David Hahn and with the Gore campaign in Iowa and the Kucinich campaign both in Iowa and as the president of my colleges student chapter; nonetheless I have the humility to realize that my experience pales in comparison to that of the actual candidates who literally are the campaign, at every level and at every stop. All I'm saying is that both candidates are damn fine Americans and you should have a problem being insulting towards either of them considering their contributions to our country.