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What those of us on the outside of "wingerdom" do not notice, or if we do, comprehend what is behind the conservative divide that the OP describes...
In dead tree conservative info sources and online conservative narrowcasts, influential voices from the evangelical political movement, folks like Council for National Policy co-founder, Paul Weyrich, are on an eight years long crusade against John McCain, but not for the reasons that I am.... note the URL's and Weyrich and his buddy Ted Sampley's influence:
http://web.archive.org/web/200012050...00/1/11/115838
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http://web.archive.org/web/200106211...000/2/7/160116
Is McCain the Hero He Claims to Be? -- 01/04/2000McCain and Peterson, according to Sampley, begged the Vietnamese never to make their files on the ... Paul Weyrich is president of the Free Congress Foundation.
http://www.cnsnews.com/Commentary/Ar...20000104a.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_n14290340
MCCAIN `BRAINWASHED IN VIETNAM'
Independent, The (London), Feb 17, 2000
JOHN MCCAIN, Republican challenger for the party's White House nomination, is being labelled a KGB spy and perhaps even a brainwashed zombie controlled by Communists.
McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, has not supported moves by right-wing fringe groups to free prisoners they believe remain behind in South-East Asia and has backed a resumption of relations with Vietnam.
Though comic, the accusations will harm Mr McCain among some veterans in South Carolina, a crucial element in the state's primary.
Ted Sampley, a veteran from North Carolina who runs a newsletter, accuses Mr McCain of betraying his country while a prisoner and being a KGB spy. He also made a more bizarre accusation: "In the movie The Manchurian Candidate Laurence Harvey portrayed ... a former PoW ... of the Korean War whose brainwashing ... resulted in his enemies being able to manipulate his actions. To trigger him ... all they had to do was have him play solitaire, with the queen of diamonds being the trigger that made him theirs, body and soul." Mr Sampley went on to ask the senator: "Have the Vietnamese flipped you a queen of diamonds?"
The claim has been spread by the conservative activist Paul Weyrich, who said: "It may not always be true that where there is smoke there is fire, but many times it is true."
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...4/140508.shtml
McCain Holds the Cards
Paul Weyrich
Saturday, Feb. 25, 2006
It is always difficult to handicap the next presidential election before the midterm elections. So I will not go through the litany of the half-dozen Democrats, including Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who may contest for the nomination. The views range from "Hillary has got it in the bag" to "Hillary won't run."
Democratic Party sentiment is said to range from "ready for another Clinton Era" to "fear of another Clinton Era"; from "the Party wants a familiar face" (Hillary) to "the Party seeks a totally new face" (former Governor Mark R. Warner of Virginia).
Hillary is a polarizing figure, no doubt. In the end, however, the nomination seems almost certain to be hers if she pursues it. If she is the nominee, Republicans either are scared to death of her and don't know to how to run against her or they can't wait for the chance to take her on, pointing to the considerable political baggage she has inherited. One clearly hears both views
On the Republican side there are no fewer than thirteen candidates who think they have a chance. These include sitting and retiring governors, sitting and retiring senators and maybe even a general. The Democrats have a general, too. He is Wesley Clark, but he went nowhere in 2004.
Some of these candidates, such as Governor Michael Huckabee, of Hope, Arkansas, in fact may be running for vice president without saying so. In fact, I only recall one candidate who openly ran and campaigned for the vice presidency. He was an obscure Alaska Democratic senator who got absolutely nowhere with his effort to win the vice presidency.
While Democrats have an obvious front-runner with Hillary, Republicans have none. Florida Governor Jeb Bush would be the front-runner if he had not all but absolutely ruled out running. No senator or governor is a hot ticket right now, except for one, John S. McCain III.
McCain is consolidating his position in a way reminiscent of Richard M. Nixon in 1968. He is collecting due bills. He campaigned for all sorts of congressmen and senators in 2002 and 2004. He is letting them know that now is the time to express their gratitude.
Dick Morris, Bill Clinton's strategist, who is pushing Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for president, had an on-the-air colloquy with Sean Hannity the other day that most of the audience didn't understand. Morris was telling Hannity that he knew of a certain senator who was very close to endorsing McCain. Hannity asked Morris if it was the senator he had in mind. Morris said it was. Hannity said he didn't believe it.
The colloquy was about former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss. Lott, who is a values-oriented conservative, is about ready to support McCain as the one senator who can defeat Hillary in the South. He is not sure any other candidates can do so.
Some of that may be personal. Senator Lott was ousted as majority leader by Senator William H. ("Bill") Frist, M.D., R-Tenn., after the media blew way out of proportion a silly remark Lott made about Senator Strom Thurmond on the occasion of Thurmond's 100th birthday party. Senator George Allen, R-Va., also was involved in the coup, which could be why Lott finds neither Frist nor Allen viable in the South.
Whatever the reason, friends of Lott from the South say he is determined to support a candidate who can defeat Hillary in that region of the country. McCain is saleable, Lott is telling friends.
The real shocker is that McCain is close to picking up support from former Senator Daniel R. Coats, R-Ind. Coats, who took Senator James Danforth ("Dan") Quayle's place in the Senate after Quayle was elected vice president with President George Herbert Walker Bush, did not run for re-election after 10 years in that body. He subsequently became U.S. ambassador to Germany when George W. Bush was elected and more recently guided Supreme Court Justice Samuel J. Alito Jr. through the confirmation process in the Senate.
When he was in the Senate, Coats was especially close to the Religious Right. One of his longtime staffers is Timothy Goeglein, a key White House operative. Coats was thought to be supporting Senator Sam D. Brownback, R-Kan., the only overtly Religious Right candidate of the lot. That McCain may well pick up Coats is a measure of how far McCain has come.
McCain is seen as the one Republican candidate who scores well with independents and Democrats. He is a darling of the media. Instead of the usual hostility a Republican gets from the media, he is seen as someone who would play ball with the old media and thus could be elected. McCain has kept his right-to-life credentials, for the most part. He has been loyal to the president regarding the Iraq War, for the most part.
With Hillary looming large in the background and with almost any Democrat seen as capable of defeating any Republican, McCain – in typical conservative Republican circles – is seen as the savior of the GOP.
That is a long way for McCain to have come since the bitter primary with President George W. Bush in 2000. He patched things up with Bush and campaigned for him in the autumn of 2000. But it was never a happy relationship. Bush and McCain have tangled over a whole raft of issues, ranging from spending (McCain is a sort of deficit hawk) to the conduct of the Iraqi War but these disputes have been more intense behind the scenes than seen in public.
The one group McCain does not have in his camp is the social-issue conservative group. They view McCain as wanting to revert to a GOP before 1980, when Ronald W. Reagan successfully grafted social conservatives onto the other pillars of conservatism – namely, limited government, free enterprise and a strong national defense. Reagan, at the urging of the Religious Right, which had emerged politically beginning in 1977, added traditional moral values to those other pillars of conservatism.
Republicans, who composed a clearly minority party after 1930 even when they held the presidency, then began to elect senators and congressmen, governors and state legislatures, and have been electing them ever since.
McCain does not believe that the Republican Party should be advocating traditional moral values. He hopes to so co-opt mainline conservatism, while also gaining acceptance from liberals in the party – such as former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, New York Governor George E. Pataki and former New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman – that he can afford to lose the Religious Right. Besides, the McCain camp reasons that if Hillary is indeed the Democratic nominee, social conservatives would be so alarmed about her becoming president that they likely would vote for McCain anyway.
It is a bold strategy, yet given the fact that the values voters do not have a candidate around whom they have thus far rallied, McCain's view of the world may indeed prevail. Social conservatives presently enjoy unprecedented influence in the White House and most especially on Capitol Hill, where the leadership in both the House and the Senate is very sympathetic to them and their issues. A McCain presidency likely would change all that.
Shortly before he died in 1998 and after he left the Senate in 1986, Barry M. Goldwater, the father of modern conservatism, denounced social conservatives, saying they had no business trying, as he put it, to make the Republican Party into a church. McCain took the Goldwater seat. He is out of the same mold. Goldwater all but broke with his party, mainly over moral issues.
Perhaps at last, through John McCain, the party will be remade in Goldwater's image. It is happening and happening fast. McCain now holds all the cards.
Paul M. Weyrich is the Chairman and CEO of the Free Congress Foundation
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/vernon/080128
Conservative leader to bolt GOP if McCain is nominated
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Wes Vernon
January 28, 2008
...."I will not vote for him [McCain]," Weyrich told this column in an interview. "I can't." The longtime conservative icon added, "It's a case where worse would be better. If [Hillary is elected], she'll do enough damage that two years from now — just like with Bill [in 1994], we can recover politically if they don't shut us down. If we can keep talk radio and if we're not shut down in other ways, I think after two years of her that there'll be a real reaction — just like there was with Carter and there was a big one with [Bill] Clinton."
As horrifying as the thought of a Hillary presidency is to many Americans, Weyrich says, "It would be better than McCain, who would fight us on everything."....
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As someone who believes that McCain is batshit crazy....what for example, is his position on making Bush's tax cuts, and elimination of inheritance tax, permanent? What is his position on waterboarding, and presidential authority to approve other torture techniques, and that Weyrich and his CNP are a threat to the constitution, I look forward to a McCain nomination, and a McCain presidency, if he can pull it off.
Since I think it is too late for the present US paper currency and sustainable continued supply, to the US, of 25 percent of world petroleum production each and every day, it follows that I think the US government, and "our way of life", in it's present form, is nearing it's end, and whoever is president when my view is not greeted with vehement denial....
(as in...your soooo wrong, "host", of course we will be permitted to import 14 million bbls per day of petroleum equivalents with borrowed money, and run a $700 billion yearly increase in national debt, as long as we want to....what are you talking about????)
UNLESS we cut militaray spending by $300 billion NOW, and immediately cut oil imports by 40 or 50 percent, I think that it won't matter who is president, and NONE of the candidates plan anything like that...if anything, they plan to advocate for the opposite.
I think it is a given that whatever party is holding office when "the party"...the ability to rack up endless annual trade and US treasury deficits ends, whatever party in the Whitehouse at that time will be unsuccessful in 4 or 5 subsequent elections.....
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