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Originally Posted by willravel
15% is a minimum. I still got food and they still worked so it's not as if I'm paying for nothing. My default tip for food is 20%. For alcohol, my default tip is 30%. For a haircut, it's 15% rounded up to the next $10.
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I think we'r here in what Shaw called "two countries divided by a common language".
In England, we have a SERVICE CHARGE - in the region of 15% and written there on the bill. We also have a GRATUITY (or TIP) it's a gift given over and above other charges for good service. If I get good service, I give extra money - about 10%.
In America, you have a GRATUITY (or TIP) which is a nearly mandatory charge expected to be levied on all diners for about 15 - 20%.
Let's not get cross - let's just agree we have different uses for the same word.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
You got a higher wage, but yes there are other customer service jobs out there, no need to be offended.
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That's OK then - I wasn't trying to be snotty.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Because at the time I was getting something like 2.50 an hour and a tip was built into my pay, even by the federal government. It wasn't a present.
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I didn't realise that, I can understand the angst now.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Ummm I could charge 15% more in a heartbeat if I liked at my work, without going to prison, but its a competition thing. No idea why you go to prison for higher prices.
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I could put prices up, but I was talking about ex gratia payments into my pocet - not billable product pricing. In Englsh law, that's a bribe.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
You know when I worked as a waiter I got to know the door staff VERY well, they kept the Europeans from my section if possible.
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Sorry to hear that - I'm not a fan of racism and stereotyping. You missed out on some great people. Life's about experience, not just cash.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Doesn't work that way, most establishments you tip the kitchen/bar based on your sales %, not your tips. If you get crappy tips or great ones it doesn't matter, you paid a set %. No cheating was possible that way.
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Don't understand this...
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Well now you know.
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Now I do.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Its not a minimum wage job. If everyone acted like you the base pay would be higher to make up for your cheapskatedness and the prices on the menu would be directly higher plus you would get shittier service. I think its amusing you found American service to be too smothering, my guess is you are used to crappy service by now.
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I do not agree that a better wage would make for crappy service. If waiting were a profession that people aspired to with good pay and progression then service would be good in the same way that other skilled professions give good service. For as long as waiting is a minimum wage job at the bottom of the heap, the only way you get good service is to pay a gratuity.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
So that would be your full generous 10%?
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See my earlier post - I pay 10%, ON TOP OF the service charge. So sometimes I pay up to 25% for great service.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
No, its an honor system. If you get crappy service you are not expected to tip well. It gives you the ability to decide what that persons labor was worth to you under the circumstance. A tax you gotta pay shitty service or otherwise, and thats what your attitude would end up resulting if everyone was like you. If your non-minimum wage job is so fantastic, you can afford the % and you now know how the system works. Instead you are trying to say how it SHOULD work according you to, and it doesn't.
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I'm saying hw it works HERE and trying to express without rancour that I don't really get how it works THERE.
I really hope I've not offended anyone.
