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Originally Posted by willravel
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I'm assuming that meeting the notification requirements of your law would be a pre-condition of abortion. That would be a "foot in the door", to make a woman jump through a "new hoop", to exercise a right, already in law, for the past 38 years.
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I don't know. This is how compromise works. I offer something up where I have sacrificed part of my position in the interest of finding a mutually acceptable solution for both parties.
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Originally Posted by willravel
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What if she lies that she doesn't know who it is?
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I'm of two minds on the answer to this. On the one hand, preventing her from having an abortion could be a violation of Roe v. Wade, but on the other hand lying to the police is illegal. Perhaps she can have the abortion (to appease pro-choicers and to not interfere with Roe v. Wade), but the standard penalty for lying to a police officer is applied. This is assuming that the father doesn't have a verifiable history of violence.
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will, I trust your judgment, your ethics, your stated objection to abortion, along with your commitment not to seek to outlaw it, and....even with all of that said, I see you describing a police interrogation where the subject does not have the option of asserting a right to refuse to incriminate herself. This has developed from an understandable concern for men not being bypassed in a decision process that they have a stake in, a compelling interest to be included in, but now you've conjured up in my mind, armed men in uniform, questioning a woman to gain contact information about her sex partner(s).
It confirms some of my gravest conerns, and it is that foot in the door. I can see a party involved in fertilizing an ovum having standing because of an interest in the welfare and outcome, and I do want to be reasonable, especailly now that you have actually posted about one of my concerns, the "enforcement process" associated with your notification obligation.
Describe the methodolgy of enforcing your proposed notification steps and requirements, and I'll tell you whether it goes beyond my concept of a "foot in the door", "line in the sand". I think it would have some potential if the female were to forfeit something, other than her right to choose, if she did not comply with notification requirments.
If it wasn't for the fact that a mother cannot forfeit her child's right to paternal financial support, other than delay or denial of abortion services, or criminalization and enforcement of notification....it seems inconsequential if it isn't mandatory, I don't see how notification could be guaranteed or even the routine reaction.
If you can propose a way, I'd want to read it. I've gotten past my objection to the invasion of privacy of a new requirement to even volunteer to give information about sexual activity and sexual partners to a party other than a medical services provider, in strict confidence, solely for the purpose of potenitally involving the male partner. Because I view this as the road to a "foot in the door", and because I see common, if not frequent instances when a woman would not want to participate in or volunteer for notification, I can't visualize a proposal to do notification that would have any teeth.
I see a process that would turn into what you touched on...risk of perjury, and questioning by police, a judge, or both. In the process of compromising, one side has something the other side wants, and is willing to offer in return. The reason I asked if you would be possibly opting to challenge the right to choose, if you cannot achieve what you want via compromise, is because it would probably be the best way to negotiate a compromise.
I can see a day where abortion providers are required to have a pamphlet urging paternal notification, prominently displayed in an initial interview area for pregnant prospective clients. The potential for mandatory counseling is the added agenda of lumping enough required curriculum to extend the counseling into the third trimester.