yes
rekna: ex-vitro and testtube babies. that's about it.
will: i think that everyone understands what you think you're trying to say. THE PROBLEM IS THAT NONE OF US THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TENABLE. If you want to do the all-caps thing. Speaking for myself, but I think probably somewhat representative of the group you're trying mostly to convert, I understand that you want some sort of mandatory notification for "a male" any time a woman goes to get an abortion. However, you do not want to revoke Roe v. Wade, or more correctly, you're willing to not "overturn" Roe v. Wade.
OK. The problem, as I see it, is those two positions become nearly mutually exclusive, pragmatically. What a nightmare! I disagree with your objection to
dc's statements about the probable affect on women who have been / are being abused. (ps. No one is saying all women are abused, or that all men are abusive. Nice strawman. Some women are abused, and they would be disproportionately affected. pps. It's not a marginal amount of women, according to most sources
I've seen) Furthermore, what happens if a woman is dating multiple men, and has a contraception malfunction with one of them? What if a cheating wife, or girlfriend situation occurs? Of for that matter, a cheating husband or boyfriend matter? For me, it's a huge difference between "Which situations would I, as the male,
like to have a
right to know, and which situations should I
actually have a right to know?" Let's say the girl lies about the father, and/or refuses to give a name? What's her penalty? Is she denied the right to the abortion until she fesses up? Is it pending a DNA test? Once again, it will go back to a place that
host alluded to earlier. More educated/middle class chicks will tell the docs to fuck off, and/or pay outright for a doctor who is leniant on the disclosure forms, while people with less access to legal and financial defense strategies will tend to be affected. (yes, that's a hypothesis). As well-intentioned as I know your wishes are, I don't see them ever working out. The fact that others disagree with you doesn't mean you need to get petulant and suggest that the thread be closed. It's not the first time a thread hasn't gone the way the OP wanted.
I'm not saying it's perfect, and I agree that the way things are right now it's definitely way-lop sided toward the female's discretion. I don't necessarily like it, but I don't see any meaningful way to moderate the situation that doesn't involve a cure that's worse than the problem.