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Originally Posted by Ustwo
....FTA's stance is pretty clear. To HIM that 'lump of cells' thats a fetus is as a life is not unlike that lump of cells thats a woman, or a man. Its a human lump of cells. One is fully differentiated as a adult, the other is just forming, but they are the same in different life stages.
There was nothing extreme at all in what he said....
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A reasonable person could view FTA's opinion as extreme, because what another person decides to permit to grow, or not, in her uterus....is none of his business.
Last november, South Dakota voters took back women;s right to choose, after their legislature and governor. took it away from them:
<h3>How 'bout brainwashin' the boys, too?:</h3>
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http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/tr...W215_full.html
Transcript, April 14, 2006
No Right to Choose?
BRANCACCIO: Welcome to NOW.
...REP. HUNT:
You cannot talk about sexual abstinence without talking about contraceptives and without talking about condoms because you gotta show how bad the condoms are in order to show how good the sexual abstinence is.
HINOJOSA:
BUT DOES ABSTINENCE-ONLY EDUCATION WORK? WELL THE SCIENCE IS LIMITED, IN ONE RECENT STUDY OF STUDENTS WHO TOOK 'VIRGINITY PLEDGES' RESEARCHERS FOUND THAT THE PLEDGES DID HELP KIDS DELAY THEIR FIRST SEXUAL INTERCOURSE BY ABOUT 18 MONTHS.
BUT THE REALITY IS, NEARLY 90% OF THOSE KIDS ENDED UP HAVING PRE-MARITAL SEX. AND WHEN THEY DID, THEY WERE A LOT LESS LIKELY TO USE CONTRACEPTION.
LAST FRIDAY NIGHT, YOUNG GIRLS FROM AROUND SOUTH DAKOTA CAME TO SIOUX FALLS FOR A SPRING BALL. THIS ONE IS CALLED "THE PURITY BALL" IT'S A YEARLY EVENT RUN BY LESLEE UNRUH'S ABSTINENCE CLEARINGHOUSE.
THE IDEA IS THAT THESE YOUNG WOMEN COME WITH THEIR FATHERS. TO CELEBRATE THEIR SEXUAL PURITY.
UNRUH:
<h3>We think that its imp for fathers to the be the first ones to look into their daughters eyes and To tell her that her purity is special, and its ok to wait until marriage.</h3>
HINOJOSA:
IT MIGHT HAVE ALL THE TRAPPINGS OF A REGULAR PROM... BUT THIS ONE ENDS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
GIRLS RECITING PLEDGE:
"I make a promise this day to God...
HINOJOSA:
THE YOUNG WOMEN HERE ALL MAKE A PROMISE TO THEIR FATHERS THAT THEY WONT' HAVE SEX UNTIL THE DAY THEY GET MARRIED.
GIRLS RECITING PLEDGE:
...to remain sexually pure...until the day I give myself as a wedding gift to my husband. ... I know that God requires this of me.. that he loves me. and that he will reward me for my faithfulness.
STOESZ:
According to their view of the world, if women just remained chaste, if they remain virgins until marriage and then if they had sex only with their husbands and they did so only when they wanted to have children, they wouldn't have this problem to begin with. So, it's their fault. Abstinence is the answer in their view.....
...HINOJOSA:
And people might say, "Well, the way you prevent unwanted pregnancies is through contraception."
UNRUH:
No. It's wrong. We don't need, we don't have a shortage of condoms in this country. We should not be worshipping condoms. Let's start just telling the truth.
HINOJOSA:
But when some people say that truth might be, Leslee, that by limiting the information, by limiting access to contraception, that you may-- you may unintentionally be contributing to more unwanted pregnancies--
UNRUH:
No. I think it's-- by "limiting" is all spin. Let's quit making people think that everybody can go out there and just as long as they have a condom, they're safe. They're not safe emotionally. They're not safe physically. Let's just start telling the truth....
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http://lancemannion.typepad.com/lanc...vil_on_my.html
....Once upon time we were all good and well-behaved, if plagued by demons and temptations within. You know, back in the day, when lynching was a spectator sport, children were worked to death in factories and mineshafts, and employers thought nothing of hiring goons to beat and kill workers who dared strike for safer working conditions and decent pay.
<h3>Then came the Fall, and with it moral relativism, post-modernism, Freudianism, Marxism, feminism, birth control, Roe v. Wade, situation comedies that make dad into a buffoon, and black people who expect to live in our neighborhoods and send their kids to our schools</h3>...whoops, did we say that last one out loud? We meant entitlements, the nanny state, and the culture of dependence brought about by Welfare.....
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Ustwo, why do you seem to post, so often, so similar to someone falling under the spell of every conservative financed disinformation "Op", from tort "rerorm", to this, excerpted from the NY Times article, linked below?
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.....Despite the activity in the states, the anti-abortion movement’s new focus remained largely under the radar until it emerged full-blown in Justice Kennedy’s opinion
As evidence that “some women come to regret their choice to abort the infant life they once created and sustained,” Justice Kennedy cited a brief filed in the case by the Justice Foundation, an anti-abortion group that runs a Web site and telephone help line for women “hurting from abortion.” The brief contained affidavits from 180 such women, describing feelings of shame, guilt and depression.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s dissenting opinion contained a quotation: “Our obligation is to define the liberty of all, not to mandate our own moral code.”.....
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/20/us...prod=permalink
News Analysis
Adjudging a Moral Harm to Women From Abortions
By LINDA GREENHOUSE
Published: April 20, 2007
WASHINGTON, April 19 — That abortion is bad for fetuses is a statement of the obvious. That it is bad for women, too, is a contested premise that nonetheless got five votes at the Supreme Court on Wednesday.
It was a development that stunned abortion rights advocates and that represents a major departure from how the court has framed the abortion issue for the past 34 years. The question on the day after the justices voted 5 to 4 to uphold the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act is where the court goes from here.....
.....But never until Wednesday had the court held that an abortion procedure could be prohibited because the procedure itself, not the pregnancy, threatened a woman’s health — mental health, in this case, and moral health as well. In his majority opinion, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy suggested that a pregnant woman who chooses abortion falls away from true womanhood.
“Respect for human life finds an ultimate expression in the bond of love the mother has for her child,” he said.
Justice Kennedy conceded that “we find no reliable data” on whether abortion in general, or the procedure prohibited by the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, causes women emotional harm. But he said it was nonetheless “self-evident” and “unexceptional to conclude” that “some women” who choose to terminate their pregnancies suffer “regret,” “severe depression,” “loss of esteem” and other ills.
Consequently, he said, the government has a legitimate interest in banning a particularly problematic abortion procedure to prevent women from casually or ill-advisedly making “so grave a choice.”
If “a necessary effect of the regulation and the knowledge it conveys will be to encourage some women to carry the infant to full term,” Justice Kennedy continued, that outcome will advance “the state’s interest in respect for life.”
The shift in the court’s discourse was “enormous,” said Prof. Reva B. Siegel of Yale Law School. <h2>It was, she said, “beyond Alice in Wonderland: criminalize abortion to protect women.”</h2>....
....On his blog, Balkinization, Prof. Jack M. Balkin of Yale Law School defined the message behind what he called the “new paternalism”: “Either a woman is crazy when she undergoes an abortion, or she will become crazy later on.”.....
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Last edited by host; 01-27-2008 at 01:55 PM..
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