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Originally Posted by 1010011010
Wow. I don't think I've ever quite seen anyone dehumanize women to the point of calling them a "clump of cells" and equating their status in the word with a fetus. I've seen people make arguments that treat women like children, but this is a pretty impressive new level of extreme.
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I don't think you 'get it', in fact I'm sure you don't.
We are living creatures are just lumps of cells. Your body is really a hive of various related cells, and your gonads are the 'queen' if you want to expand it out. Its not 'dehumanizing' someone to call them a lump of cells any more to call a fetus a 'lump of cells'. YOU are a lump of cells, thats ALL you are. You can think, dance, make forum posts, but you are just a lump of cells, as am I.
FTA's stance is pretty clear. To HIM that 'lump of cells' thats a fetus is as a life is not unlike that lump of cells thats a woman, or a man. Its a human lump of cells. One is fully differentiated as a adult, the other is just forming, but they are the same in different life stages.
There was nothing extreme at all in what he said.
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It's also disingenuous to imply that the effects of pregnancy and childbirth are an isolable 9-month period, but I've never observed much interest from some sides in how unwanted pregnancy has lasting impact on the lives of women, so I'm not surprised if you honestly think your comparison is meaningful.
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Abortion has a lasting effect on women too. I had a girl crying in my arms over hers. We were casually dating, I go to visit her, we are about to have sex and then shes sobbing about some abortion she had at 16.
My family also used to take in teens who were pregnant so they could give birth away from the pressures of family and their friends in school. They gave the kids up for adoption.
I wonder how many of those girls are happy that they didn't abort now years past. I only still know one, shes happy about it.
I can't think many women who gave their children up for adoption are thinking 'Oh this is so horrible, I can't live without knowing who my children are, I wish I had aborted them instead!'