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Originally Posted by willravel
The legal definition of murder doesn't include abortion today, but it has before and it may in the future. Murder is separated from manslaughter by "intention to cause grievous injury and death resulted" or "conduct with a "depraved heart" showing lack of care for human life". Abortions are carried out with clear intent to end the function of the body of a fetus (I'll avoid using the word "kill" here in the interest of middle ground), and this does represent a lack of care for the fetus. I would say that even from the perspective of one who for whatever reason does not believe the fetus to be alive this is close to murder.
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So it's not murder, or even manslaughter?
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So you can tell me that everything you ever thought you could do you've done and everything you believe you cannot do you've not done? "Piss poor", indeed. All the evidence I need is one person who is incorrect about his or her potential. It's a guess, and as such there is always a chance it is wrong.
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You'd make a good guidance counselor.
It isn't as simple as potential. Or evidence. Self fullfilling prophecies are what they are.
I don't try to do things that i don't think i can do, because as someone who doesn't have a lot of breathing room when it comes to the doing of things it's generally a waste of my time. The other side of that is that if i have to do something, then i do it- it does not benefit me to think about whether i can or can't. Usually i can rise to the occasion and if i can't, well, i tried.
That's me. I don't expect other people to do the same, even though many of them will. Furthermore, i don't think that it's my place to tell someone what they can and can't accomplish, especially when it comes to something with such a large potential for disaster as carrying a child to term and raising it. You don't think you can stop drinking while you're pregnant? Fair enough, spare us all the child you will fuck up in the womb and most likely out of the womb too. You're too self absorbed to make the kind of sacrifices required to raise a kid? Fine, kill it before it gets lungs, we might all be better off if you don't raise a child in your current state of mind. Shit, it doesn't feel right? Fuck it, go with your intuition.
This is not to say that good people can't come from bad situations, just that they have things stacked against them. If that set of parents at my friend's daughter's school who aren't able to get their kid to not try to stab other kids with pencils had had an abortion we might all be better off, including them and maybe even their kid. Then again, maybe their kid will get his shit figured out, or maybe he'll become a serial killer.
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Besides all of that, you made the determination that if someone believes that they are not "up to the task" then they are correct. You didn't support this idea with anything, despite having the burden of proof. I demonstrated that I am an exception to your supposed rule, and then you say that "you can do things" but that everyone else can't, AGAIN, with no evidence or even a theory as to how or why this is so. I have provided proof that some people can be incorrect about their potential using myself as an example. Can you demonstrate how I am an exception to the rule using evidence and logic?
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I never said it was a rule, or that it was absolute. I said "where there is no will there is no way" is often a true statement. The fact that you can surprise yourself by doing things does in no way refute what i said. And i'm not going to provide evidence, because it doesn't matter and works just as well as an axiom; it is difficult for a person to accomplish a task if from the outset they don't think they can, this especially being the case if there is no one around to encourage them.
Being a parent requires commitment, patience, guile, compassion and a whole slew of other things that aren't prerequisites to sexual maturity. If you can't even commit to your unborn child for 40 weeks then you fail, and perhaps we're all better of if you wait on the whole "being responsible for the well being of another human being" thing for a while.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
<=== Waits with his Welcome Wagon in the background
Welcome to the Grand Old Par.... er, too soon?
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Actually, i don't think will believes in killing at all, not even brown people from the other side of the world, so the wagon will probably have to wait.