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Originally Posted by JinnKai
I similarly reject the position of pro-life individuals who believe that the cells, even in a "human-like" arrangement, somehow constitute "human life", particularly at the moment of CONCEPTION! I fail to see how that a position like that could coexist with a belief that antibiotics are an acceptable practice?
Why? Because for much of a pregnancy, especially immediately following conception, the magnitude of cells in a zygote is equal to the number of cells constituting a bacterial infection.
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But it's not a bacterial infection.
There's gotta be some elaboration here you left out. I don't think you meant to construct an argument that could be demolished with nothing but the above six words.
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Originally Posted by pig
It can be shown that a fetus is a living thing, just like cauliflower and organs and many other things...what can't be shown is that it s a separate human life form. If you can prove this, beyond a shadow of doubt, please share because you will change my view on the matter.
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The problem here is not science. The problem here is language.
I can easily show you that it's a separate human life form. Watch: it's an organism with human DNA and the embedded,
self-contained potentiality of each of the necessary vital organs associated with human beings. And it requires no additional blueprint - only additional sustenance - to reach that point.
Thus, it's obviously a separate human life form. It fits the definition.
"No, it's obviously NOT a separate human life form. Your definition's all wrong."
Oh? And what objective, empirical process did you use to arrive at the correct definition?
...yep. The science is on my side. And it's on your side as well. Because the real quibble is not over facts, but over moral interpretations of those facts. The real question is this: why should/shouldn't we value that clump of cells?
And no laboratory experiment is going to give either side the answer. It isn't a matter of science. It isn't a matter of demonstration. You can't show value. You can only allude to it and stubbornly fight for it without the benefit of being able to 'show' it. Which is what we all do.