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Originally Posted by Seaver
Sorry, but this is a moot point. A man can not tell if a woman is on the pill, ANY woman knows if the man is using a condom.
A woman carrying the baby is something we can not create equality in. We can not allow a man to carry a baby, so there's no point in arguing.
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If you don't have a vagina of your own, don't make comments regarding whether a woman "knows" if a man is wearing a condom or not. Sometimes (especially if a condom is thin and you were not the one to put it on him/guide him in), you CAN'T tell, and in my experience women are not usually the ones to notice if a condom is coming off or if it has broken. It is not always possible to tell, so please don't make generalized bullshit statements regarding that unless you have the experience/survey results to back it up.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that no child should be brought into the world unless it is wanted, preferably by both parents. If I didn't want to carry a child for whatever reason, I don't believe a court should be able to force me to do so. If a man really wants a child, he should find a woman who is willing to have one with him and raise it properly. I know that this thread is focusing on a "good relationship, consensual sex" point of view, and I feel that in that situation having children should be a mutual decision. Totally. It should be something discussed beforehand, especially if the couple is not using birth control. If either partner is not ready for the responsibility, USE CONTRACEPTIVES. That's what they're made for.